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Old 11th May 2010
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have you ever been tempted

Just for general discussion but have you ever been tempted to leave Olympus to go to Nikon or Canon. If not what keeps you with Olympus and have you gone to the so called big two and came back to olly.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

Frequently, and if I had a bank balance like Abramovich and muscles like Schwarzenegger I might be tempted by full-frame from one of those companies, although they are not without drawbacks quite apart from size, weight and price.

I also keep tabs on what's happening with APS-C sensor cameras but although many of the latest have clear advantages in certain respects I still feel my E-3 based system has more important advantages in other areas.

Purely in terms of IQ for ridiculously huge enlargements and high ISO performance Olympus clearly lags behind - in much the same way as my Volkswagen Passat Estate lags behind a Ferrari.

If your sole aim is to get from Essex to Scotland as quickly as possible then no contest, it has to be the Ferrari. But try getting four people and all the luggage for a fortnight's camping holiday into a Ferrari and then you'll start to appreciate certain features of the Passat!
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Re: have you ever been tempted

thanks for your reply mate,

I often feel tempted but im put off by the high prices as well. I lust after all the kit and listings in Amateur Photography magazine like the one for warehouse express lol

but then I look at my humble Olly and think im a trend setter why would I want to follow the sheep. I have taken some really nice shots with my 520 and only on occasions have I noticed large amounts of noise, which the Canon and Nikon users of this world would have you believe to be as bad as pinhole photography.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

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thanks for your reply mate,

I often feel tempted but im put off by the high prices as well. I lust after all the kit and listings in Amateur Photography magazine like the one for warehouse express lol

but then I look at my humble Olly and think im a trend setter why would I want to follow the sheep. I have taken some really nice shots with my 520 and only on occasions have I noticed large amounts of noise, which the Canon and Nikon users of this world would have you believe to be as bad as pinhole photography.
Just remember that the best camera is the one you've got - and the best photographer is the one who's always out taking pictures rather than the one always agonising over his next purchase!

Don't be distracted by the Canon and Nikon boys - they talk a lot about pixels, noise and sensor quality but curiously seldom mention lens quality, colour rendition or their hernias and slipped discs!
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Re: have you ever been tempted

lol very true, Olympus do make some very nice lenses indeed even the Om range. Im not sure how true this is but i heard four thirds is more geared up for macro photography than the other sensor types and thats an area that i would like to explore more along with landscapes
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Re: have you ever been tempted

No, but I have been tempted to change from Canon to Olympus which is why I am now a Oly user,
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Re: have you ever been tempted

I have been tempted many times - don't all those huge bodies and lenses look great! However, a trip through any National Trust bulding on a Bank Holiday is enough to stop me moving over. Herds of Canikon users with loads of kit and hardly any of them taking an actual picture! I shy away from the herd mentality and usually look for things that are a little different - which means Olympus suits me fine!

Another factor for me was looking at the forums attached to other brands. I don't know a great deal about my hobby and need to learn in a way I don't find intimidating. Forums are a way for me to pick up ideas and information without feeling a complete mug and this forum is far and away the friendliest. Might not be the main reason I went (and stayed) Olympus, but it was definitely a factor.

Oh, and the absolute wonderfullness of the E1 of course.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

Yes, only because of full frame loveliness - not because of name. If Oly made a larger sensor camera, I'd stick with them absolutely.

The thing is, when you or I play our fav music, whatever gnre that is, we listen to the wonderfully rich and colorful music of the orchestra, the big full sounds of togetherness from the band, perhaps for the message the composer was trying to bring across. Many canikon users would talk about the mega wattage of the thermionic valves in the pre-amp, the stunning quality of the 12-band graphic equaliser display, and the signal-to-noise ratio of the sub-woofers in relation to the high frequency tweeters.

Me... I listen to the music. Get my drift. It's the output that counts.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

Yes.

With unlimitied money, I would have a Nikon D3S plus a lot of glass , but I would still keep my Olympus equipment. The 35-100 is probably the best day to day lens I have ever used.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

How strange you should start this post as I was thinking of starting one along the same lines. I have to be honest I have for the very first time been questioning my allegiance to Olympus (Some may say "blind allegiance"!).

The reason in my case is simply down to what I love taking photographs of, birds . I also am starting to enjoy low light and motorsport photography also. So, yes you have guessed it already my frustration is noise increasing with higher ISO settings. So often I find myself compromised by have to just open the lens up and still pay the cost of lower shutter speeds than I would like. I am just about to post some images of a night at Poole speedway where I started at ISO 800 and ended up at ISO 1600. I will find it interesting to see what you all think of the E-3 at high ISO values (for Olympus).

I almost can't imagine how I could jump given the large investment I have made in my chosen system. It is enough to keep me awake even contemplating just selling all my kit, let alone trying to decide on which system to go with and then trying to work out what to buy!!

There are obviously so many things I treasure about my Olympus equipment and I would not especially want to learn how to use another system. Perhaps my bottom line will turn out to be the upcoming E-5 , I have developed a lot with the E-3 and my photographic journey is all the better for it. But I do feel it may well be a critical point for me.

Having said all that, what is the weakest link? Without any shadow of a doubt me!! I still have so much to learn and probably have more kit than my talent deserves. My 2 final thoughts are:

Could I ever in a million years be parted from the camera that got this love affair started, the E-1?

Would life be worth living without being part of our superb forum?

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Re: have you ever been tempted

Yes, I was with Oly in the form of a E-510 and E-1, but both lacked certain features I wanted, but the E-30 was on the way to the market, so I couldn't wait for it to arrive as it was going to be 'my' camera that I'd waited patiently on.

When they announced the E-30 price, I was totally dumb-struck. Overpriced was a total understatement - so much so that I threw a hissy fit and promptly changed to Nikon...

There is no doubt the Nikon kit is fantastic, but it all gets a bit big and bulky, and the reason I went with Oly in the first place was size/weight - despite what others say, there really isn't anything in the image quality (unless you go full frame), although more DR would be nice.

I'm now back with Oly in the shape of a E-600 and very happy with it, but if money were no object I'd also have a D700 and 85mm F1.4 for portrait work.

As optically perfect as the SHG glass is, they are huge and seriously heavy and expensive lenses, and if the truth be told, Oly don't (at the moment) have a body/sensor to do them justice.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

Hmm. Interesting topic.

I used Nikon film cameras for years but I was very disappointed when I saw just how big and expensive DSLRs turned out to be. How come? No film transport. No wind on/rewind motors. Far less in the way of mechanics. How come so big and so expensive. Grrr. So I waited and eventually the E400 came out. I tried one in the local camera shop. Now this is more like it - a sensible sized DSLR. Still a bit pricey but, too late, I seem to have bought one :-)

Fast forward. These days I find the E620 close to perfect for my needs, small and light. Olympus glass is outstanding. That 50mm macro is simply the sharpest optics I've ever put on a camera. However, the 11-22 andf 14-54 are about my upper limit for lens size and weight. Good so far.

The only gripe I have is the small viewfinder. With my older eyes I find it very tricky to use manual focus. How I wish it was like my old FE2

Bottom line: Jump ship and change to another brand?? No - I don't think so

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Having used Olympus kit for three years, I am in the process of moving to Nikon, having just bought a D3s. The move was because my circumstances changed and I now need the extreme low light performance that Olympus can't give me. I have nothing against Olympus and really enjoyed using my E400, E510 and E3. The glass is superb but so is high end Nikon and Canon stuff. Prices are similar for high end glass. Olympus standard glass is streets ahead of the competitioon but I never used that so it doesn't really concern me. The size and weight issues are real for a lot of people but not me. I found the E3 a bit small and nearly always used it with the grip on. My E3 + grip + 12-60 weighs about a pound/pound and a half less than my D3s with the 24-70. Weight is simply not an issue, I just don't care.

If I could afford to keep my 4/3rds kit to run alongside the Nikon outfit, I would. Instead I am going to buy an m4/3rds camera to be my walkaround kit. I doubt I would have changed if my needs hadn't changed. there is no "best" camera, it is whatever works for you and meets your needs. Overall, my E3 is the best camera I have ever owned. Over time this opinion might change, I'll see.

BTW, the viewfinder on the D3s is astounding, it is like looking through a big bay window, even compared to the E3.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

I moved from full-frame Canon (5D) to Olympus for weight and sensor dust reasons, and though I'm sometimes tempted to drool over Nikon, for the ready availability of 3rd party lenses, I'd never go back to Canon. Their bodies, especially dust reduction systems or lack of, with a couple of exceptions, just don't cut it.
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Re: have you ever been tempted

If you rely on your chosen camera system to earn a living, but consistently find that your images are not satisfying your clients, then you would need to switch to a system that does satisfy them. The national press and sports syndicates use Canon/Nikon with fast lenses as they have to deliver images in any situation and weather (often in very low light and pouring rain) Olympus cannot match the D3 or 1Dmk4 at high iso but the E-3 and pro Zuikos are every bit as resistant to inclement weather.

If you really need to churn out billboard sized photos for ad agencies then a medium format system with a digital back would be standard equipment.

For every other non-professional use I cannot see much difference between any of the major manufacturers' offerings; it's basically a matter of personal preference. None of them produce bad cameras.

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