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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

A question, if I may, about storage cards on the M43 cameras. My E520 uses compact flash and xD. Do the new ones all use the same thing (SD?) or are there variations?

Of course, compact flash is very fast.

I do have quite a few of each for my E520 - this won;t be a deciding factor but it's worth knowing.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

They use the SD cards :-)
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

Ok. I believe that there is an xD to SD conversion adaptor, though whether this works in this case or is recommended is another matter.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

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Ok. I believe that there is an xD to SD conversion adaptor, though whether this works in this case or is recommended is another matter.
I would have to add though that nobody would want to use their 2GB (max) XD card again. The new(ish) SD cards are now faster than previous Compact Flash cards & moving up from an E520 to an OM-D that can take something like the Sandisk Extreme Pro then I would say the older CF is sluggish by comparison to the latter SD card. Also, going from a 10MP to 16MP camera requires larger memory for the larger files & I would not use anything less than an 8GB card & prefer 16 to 32GB instead.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

The prices of the 4/3rds 'Super-Pro' lenses have dropped recently, and are now a fraction of their original new prices. Their performance is stunning and they are well worth looking out for. The lenses are:

7-14 f4, 14-35 f2 and the 35-100 f2. (I've seen them referred to as 'the holy trinity'). The 35-100 is a wonderful portrait lens.

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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

BTW,

How does the M43 12-40mm
compare to the 43 12-60mm?

Obviously the 43 lens has more flexibility but is heavier, but how about the optical qualities when used on a m43 system?
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

I had a 12-60 in FT days but sold it when I moved to MFT. I now have the 12-40 and am very satisfied with the IQ. Other things being equal a 3x zoom will usually outperform a 5x.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

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I had a 12-60 in FT days but sold it when I moved to MFT. I now have the 12-40 and am very satisfied with the IQ. Other things being equal a 3x zoom will usually outperform a 5x.
When the 12-60 was reviewed by dpreview, they stated that it was an outstanding lens "up there with the very best".

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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

I couldn't afford (justify to my better half) the 12-40, although there were some great split kit deals that could have been good this year, but around the same time I won a (4/3's) 12-60 SWD lens at a very good price of ebay which I now use on the E-M1. Admittedly, the 12-40 would have been better with the constant f2.8 but would not have had the same reach.

I took many night photos at Sydney's Vivid Festival using it on the E-M1 (adjusting distortion plus colour etc in Capture One).





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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

I would recommend an upgrade - you could get a used Panasonic G5 for 100-150 as stop-gap while you see just how far the system(s) have moved on since the E520. Or you might be lucky and find a cheap and serviceable EM5 (i).

I have an E620 (and an E1), both 4/3, and was knocked out by the difference when I got an EPL3 (m4/3) for a friend (since converted to full-spectrum). The m4/3 G5 has a bigger grip, a fold-away screen, and an electronic shutter, which I like over the (weatherproof) EM5 (which has IS, and feels a more solid camera, in spite of electronic viewfinder shortcomings - my EM5 electronic viewfinder went south in the sun, which is disappointing, as my arms aren't long enough to be able to use a screen any more (I have a VF3, which I stick on top :-( )).

The 4/3 70-300 hunts with the G5 and EM5, but I use manual focus mainly; the 9-18 works fine on both bodies for my purposes. I have two MMF adapters (1 and II), both work fine with any 4/3 lens I'm using.

Anyway, this means you could "upgrade" for less than 200 (including MMF or Pany adapter, which you keep for your next generation of body), and see which lenses you use most on your new body.

Your OM / 4/3 converter will work with a 4/3 m4/3 converter - or simply get a generic one. Your Oly 50 1.2 will be fun to use :-D

If you can borrow any m4/3 body, then do so !

I bought the m4/3 12-50 and use that quite a lot, and a Sigma 60 / 2.8 along with a Panny 20 / 1.7. Other lenses I've got but which rarely go out are the Oly 45 / 1.8 (I prefer my Pentax 55 / 1.8 manual, or the Sigma), the Oly 15 / f8, and m4/3 standard kit lenses. My 4/3 Sigma 30 / 1.4 gets some use. The 4/3 50-200 and 2x adapter don't get much use, mainly due to the fact that there's no quick MF switch, and it's heavy. The 4/3 kit lenses get no use as I've the m4/3 versions.

But I'm maybe waiting for the EM1 ii so the EM1 (i) prices drop. No hurry for me, though.

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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

Thanks Ross and Kami,

I am getting there now. I have already been persuaded to make the change.

My current thinking is this:

Get either a E M10 mk11 with the two kit lenses,
or push the boat out and get an M5 mk11 or M1 with the 12-40 (or just the body only and get a 12-60 - even though it is 43).

I am leaning towards the m10 mk11, as I think the pancake looks like it would be fabulous for 3 purposes - unobtrusive pics at family gatherings, long walks (little weight to carry) and city walks - easy to point and shoot quick before people get in the shot. The other kit lens (40-150) will just be a bonus, but will get a little use. If what I read is correct, I may use the pancake a lot for these reasons, even if I do get a fancier pro zoom.
Weight is important. I do walk a lot and sometimes longish distances. I don't see it as much advantage in having heavier cameras that maybe fractionally better over lighter ones that do things excellently anyway. My back is important to me and plays up if I mistreat it.

I would then use the E520 for a short period (a year or two) to mount my old 40-150 kits lens or the 70-300 if I need to go out with 2 focal length zones and don't want to keep swapping.

I'd buy a mk111 converter for my 19-8mm (and maybe the 12-60 if I go that way). I have a 43/OM converter already...temporarily lost after a house move, but it will show up!

In time (maybe 2 to 4 years), I'd buy another m43 body which was better than the M10 mk11 and use the M10 as my second body. I'd wait for the new 20mp+ sensor I read about to have been out a while.

I would keep the 9-18 43. I've read a lot this last month and most people say that the 43 lens is better than the m43 one. Ok so it's a bit bulkier, but not hugely so, and I do already have it! I have a skylight on it and will buy a polariser too as my cokin system won't cope with it's size. This will get the lens right up to great spec for landscapes.

I am tempted by the 12-40 or the 43 12-60. I can see merit in both. The 12 -60 may be 43 but with an adaptor it will still have advantages and be cheaper.

I am thinking that sometimes you just want one lens that stays on nearly all the time...say when you are out with family and want to shoot places and people. I am forever swapping lenses to take portraits as it is. I suspect that the 12-40 is marginally a better lens than the 12-60, but the price and extra reach of the 12-60 may sway that argument. I don't know if there is another lens that is non Oly that could do this job. I haven't seen one as yet.

Another option for family outing type days is just to use the pancake (backed up by the 9-18 when needed) and don't bother with a fancier zoom purchase, but use a standard portrait lens for those times I expect to do portraits too. I don't know the sigma 60mm...will check it out as an option. I did look at the Oly 75mm...but it's very heavy and I walk a lot on family outings so it is not what I want.

I'm not convinced that I need an M5 or M1. They do look better in the hand (from pics) and the weatherproofing seems to be the feature I'd like best. However, the E520 is not weather-sealed and I use it on beaches and in light drizzle. I am just careful about how long it is out in the weather for - 2-3 seconds, take a shot, wipe it down. I expect I could do that with the m10 too.

I have started to research Adobe Elements 14 and think it will suit me. I'll download the trial and then buy a disc version if I like it. I use Elements 6, but have always shot high JPegs. I think I am going to swot up on E14 and try RAW.

The timing of this purchase is unknown, but the first two weeks of October are my favourite months for photographing landscapes...so maybe by then

I hope this sounds like a good plan to all you helpful folks, and I am happy to recieve thoughts or suggestions on it.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

One more question - I have a very good quality 3rd party flashgun to go with my E520. Will it work with the m43s cameras are are we having to get another?

I know the m10 mk 11 has a built in flash. I take I you get nothing with the other 2 and you have to buy one.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

I believe that the 12-60 Zuiko will transform the results you get from your 520 and I'm surprised at claims that the M4/3 12-40 is better. Although the dpreview review is 8 years old, it's still worth reading. Here's an extract from the conclusion:

"Indeed the Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 12-60mm F2.8-4.0 SWD is quite simply a superb lens, which can lay claim to being one of the very best standard zooms currently available. This is a design which would have been almost unimaginable even five years ago; a 5x wideangle to telephoto zoom which, though the use of some exotic optics, manages to perform almost flawlessly across its entire range, and throws in some impressive macro performance too. The relatively fast maximum aperture (a half to a full stop faster than APS-C equivalents such as the Sony Carl Zeiss 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 or Nikon 16-85mm F:3.5-5.6 VR), coupled with the excellent wide-open performance, also allows the use of lower ISOs at equivalent light levels for maximum image quality."

Your 529 with a 12-60 may be all that you really need for your photography.

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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

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One more question - I have a very good quality 3rd party flashgun to go with my E520. Will it work with the m43s cameras are are we having to get another?
You can keep the old flash. Will work with m4/3 cameras too.

Regarding camera, soon (end of september) will be announced E-M1 II. So the price of E-M1 I will drop a bit. Would be a good moment to buy it.
Actually E-M1 price already dropped.
Now is 699 on amazon.co.uk, a very good price.
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Re: E520 - stick, wait or upgrade now?

If you are thinking of the 12-60 SWD lens & a M4/3's body, then only the E-M1 (& the coming Mk II) will AF with it properly being the only newer bodies that use PD-AF (like your E520). I added the ZD14-54 II f2.8-3.5 lens to my E520 as it was cheaper then & also was possible with Live View AF (whereas the SWD lenses were not compatible with CD-AF & reverted to Hybrid AF which relied on PD-AF).

The ZD14-54 II f2.8-3.5 lens will work on all MFT bodies (I think I said this earlier) but can be much slower to focus & will not keep up with grandchildren & dogs etc.
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