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Re: Uk snap election

There is a saying that we do not discuss politics and religion in polite society. What a load of bunkum!
Religion and politics affect our everyday life, so should be discussed, but, as pointed out elsewhere, 'without bad feeling or personal attacks upon those with opposing views'.
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Re: Uk snap election

This article suggests why things become heated, IMHO. And they certainly did with this BRexit malarkey. It relates to the US presidential election, but refers to and is applicable to us. This extract is particularly pertinent "Social media makes matters worse because electronic communication makes it harder to correctly evaluate the perspective and intentions of others. It also makes us more verbally aggressive than we are in person, feeding our perception that those on the other side really are an abusive bunch."
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Re: Uk snap election

Maybe this will allow us to decide what BREXIT actually means, i.e what the public voted for in the referendum. Somehow I doubt it though as the quality of the political debate is not up to it and it would mean many more candidates for each constituency with each one offering a different flavour from hard to soft ... with someone from the established parties toeing the party line and getting in anyway. For this sort of thing you need to abolish party politics - not going to happen.
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Re: Uk snap election

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There is a saying that we do not discuss politics and religion in polite society. What a load of bunkum!
Religion and politics affect our everyday life, so should be discussed, but, as pointed out elsewhere, 'without bad feeling or personal attacks upon those with opposing views'.
Spot on Dave.

Unfortunately we have all been discouraged from discussing politics, and especially religion in public for fear of offending anyone's sensibilities.

My view is that if everyone took as much interest in politics and the economy as they do in TV soap operas, and discussed them openly with others we might not be in the collective mess that we now find ourselves in.
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I really wouldn't allow political threads like this on here. The country has never been so divided and it will lead to fallings out.

So here goes. Those who think she and her party are doing a good job should take a peek at the Balance of Payments, the deficit, the health service, food banks etc etc. Grammar schools?? State visit for Donald Trump? Good grief. This and it's predecessor have been the worst governments in my memory.

The country's a laughing stock. My children are lucky enough to be able to take out Irish Citizenship, which they are doing/have done. I wish I could.

over and out.

Apart from perhaps Germany (which benefits from the Euro) name a country that is doing better economically?

Name a socialist country that is actually growing ?

Who says this country is a laughing stock? The Guardian ?

If people don't like the Conservative government then they can vote them out, its called democracy.

I really don't understand why people are so keen to talk the UK down.
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Apart from perhaps Germany (which benefits from the Euro) name a country that is doing better economically?

Name a socialist country that is actually growing ?

Who says this country is a laughing stock? The Guardian ?

If people don't like the Conservative government then they can vote them out, its called democracy.

I really don't understand why people are so keen to talk the UK down.
Surprisingly, despite 7 years of austerity economics that have failed to reduce either the debt or the deficit but have still wrecked our public services, the UK economy is not doing too bad - at least not until the full force of Brexit hits us and nobody can predict what might happen then.

My issues are more about how the burden of austerity is falling mainly upon the poorest and most vulnerable people, with savage cuts to disability benefits in particular. Also, the ruination of the NHS, with 24 (yes, 24) A&E departments set to close nationwide, including my nearest A&E in Chelmsford. Plus now they are planning to ration knee and hip replacements, resulting in much longer waiting times for surgery. I'm lucky I had my hip done when I did, a whole year of constant pain with severe restrictions in what you can do is more than enough for anybody, thank you. There are many, many other issues too, but I don't want to make this an overly long post.

It does, though, rather beg the question, if our economy is doing as well as you seem to think, why are these terrible things happening?
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Re: Uk snap election

How bad is the news that has and will be buried by this...

Please wake me up when it's all over.
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Re: Uk snap election

I am beginning to think voting will end up an Olympic sport there is so much of it going on. Over here (Northern Ireland) we may have to have another go to let the parties waste more time and money sorting out the none speaking parties who will not play nice.
This will then be followed by another and we cannot vote for the main British parties as they do not stand over here.

The biggest crime and I use that word deliberately was the manner in which pension ages for ladies was changed twice in a short time resulting in those with the correct payments having to either work six years longer or having to wait for an extra six years to collect the pension they were entitled to at sixty. No phasing in etc just nothing but you will have to wait and no entitlement to any benefits in the meantime.

I can have two passports( British & Irish ) but not sure what advantage that is I would have to move to take advantage? of staying in the EU.


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Re: Uk snap election

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How bad is the news that has and will be buried by this...

Please wake me up when it's all over.
So true Graham. Watching the news and it seems that nothing else has happened in the world, only the same questions being asked to politicians, and getting the same answers.
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I really wouldn't allow political threads like this on here. The country has never been so divided and it will lead to fallings out.
Actually, I agree. There are other places to discuss politics. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's input here and don't want to spoil it by political differences or prejudices. I vote to keep the chat to photography only. I'll delete my previous post on this thread.
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Actually, I agree. There are other places to discuss politics. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's input here and don't want to spoil it by political differences or prejudices. I vote to keep the chat to photography only. I'll delete my previous post on this thread.
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Re: Uk snap election

I'm looking forward to it. Obviously*, I hope it backfires and we see a Liberal resurgence plus Labour doing better than expected. On the other hand, it's time to test Corbyn in the crucible of reality. I think we all have an idea how that will end**. Also, even a landslide for May might be positive; she'll no longer be held to ransom by that party's lunatic fringe.

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Actually, I agree. There are other places to discuss politics. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's input here and don't want to spoil it by political differences or prejudices. I vote to keep the chat to photography only. I'll delete my previous post on this thread.
I disagree. We should all discuss politics openly and honestly. Why should we hide away from discussing matters that affect us in some way every day of our lives?

We have been let down in some way by a succession of governments of all flavours for as long as I can remember. Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away.

As I said above, if everyone took as much interest in politics and the economy as they do in TV soap operas, and discussed them openly with others (as they do the soaps) we might not be in the collective mess that we now find ourselves in.

Perhaps there should be more political debate in the soaps? Just as long as it is balanced.

Finally, can I remind everyone that the sign above the Lounge door reads: "Relax, take a break from photo and camera talk - have a chat about something else for a change. Just keep it clean and polite!"

That would suggest that we shouldn't be discussing photography here.
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I disagree. We should all discuss politics openly and honestly. Why should we hide away from discussing matters that affect us in some way every day of our lives?

We have been let down in some way by a succession of governments of all flavours for as long as I can remember. Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away.

As I said above, if everyone took as much interest in politics and the economy as they do in TV soap operas, and discussed them openly with others (as they do the soaps) we might not be in the collective mess that we now find ourselves in.

Perhaps there should be more political debate in the soaps? Just as long as it is balanced.

Finally, can I remind everyone that the sign above the Lounge door reads: "Relax, take a break from photo and camera talk - have a chat about something else for a change. Just keep it clean and polite!"

That would suggest that we shouldn't be discussing photography here.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then Nigel. My point is simply that I want to interact here without any fear of my perception of any of you being affected by my prejudices of your politics. I guess I can ignore the thread - that's probably the best thing
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My point is simply that I want to interact here without any fear of my perception of any of you being affected by my prejudices of your politics. I guess I can ignore the thread - that's probably the best thing
My point is that it really shouldn't matter.

I sometimes spend days in a courtroom being savaged under cross-examination by Learned Counsel, or else handing Learned Counsel questions with which to savage my opposite number, but we still have a beer and a laugh about it afterwards.

Despite the televised drama put on for PMQT, MP's of all parties generally get on well with each other outside of the debating chamber, so why shouldn't we?
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