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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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This is the real rub. The younger generation voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. My own children at 15 and 17 are incandescent with rage towards the older generation who they see as taking away their future before they can have a say in it. 5-10 years down the road there'll be a lot of resentment towards the Brexit decision and I can see us running back to the EU.
My late father in law was a typical late-70s old-fashioned middle-class Euro-sceptic, though not a Redwood/Rees Mogg fanboy. I expected him to vote out. He actually passed away suddenly a few days before polling day but had voted by post earlier. His wife later confided that he had actually voted remain and his primary motivation was that it was better for the future of his six grandchildren. Both my daughters (now 20 and 22) were devastated at the referendum result.

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This is the real rub. The younger generation voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. My own children at 15 and 17 are incandescent with rage towards the older generation who they see as taking away their future before they can have a say in it. 5-10 years down the road there'll be a lot of resentment towards the Brexit decision and I can see us running back to the EU.
Unfortunately there can only be one referendum result. It really wouldn't work if we had old and young living alongside each other but living under a different system. In any case, where would you draw the line? At 20, 25, 30 or 35 years old?

The same applies to General Election results. There is a good chance that the young will swing the vote to Jeremy Corbyn at the next General Election because he has promised them free university tuition, free spliffs and beanie bags.

There is little doubt in my mind that a Corbyn government would bankrupt the country for young and old, but would you be happy to overturn that vote in the national interest?

Whilst we are on the subject; may I also remind you that you mentioned 'right wing thugs' yesterday. Are you aware of, and will you concede that there are also plenty of 'left wing thugs' about?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Setting aside short- term economic, political and social class arguments, it seems to me that the EU has some loftier aspirations and ambitions that few would argue against:

- Bridging age-old divisions among the peoples of Europe.

- Building peace and mutual prosperity across the continent (I think it would be hard to argue that this hasn't been achieved).

- Offering cultural experiences to all citizens that were closed to earlier generations (such as living and working anywhere without barriers).

- Building a democratic, free and liberal (in the widest sense) space across Europe that many fought and died for in the two wars of the previous century.

Surely the petty arguments about budgets and banana curvature should matter little against these?
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Are you aware of, and will you concede that there are also plenty of 'left wing thugs' about?
I guess you can find thugs anywhere - but I think right now that the EDL and similar organisations are taking somewhat of a dominant position.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Both my daughters (now 20 and 22) were devastated at the referendum result.
My partner and I were also devastated. She woke at about 4am and checked the news and told me. We couldn't go back to sleep and went for a walk in the park at 4.30am. We're both in our 70s, so you can tell your daughters that not all older people voted Leave!

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So what do people feel about Corbyns media speech today ?
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This is the real rub. The younger generation voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. My own children at 15 and 17 are incandescent with rage towards the older generation who they see as taking away their future before they can have a say in it. 5-10 years down the road there'll be a lot of resentment towards the Brexit decision and I can see us running back to the EU.
My sentiment entirely. I wish I could give your post a 'Double Like', Paul!

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This is the real rub. The younger generation voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. My own children at 15 and 17 are incandescent with rage towards the older generation who they see as taking away their future before they can have a say in it. 5-10 years down the road there'll be a lot of resentment towards the Brexit decision and I can see us running back to the EU.
Why were your kids incandescent - what exactly won't they be able to do when we leave? Apart from possibly having fill in a visa form to go visit or even work in the EU. Thats what everyone seems to be able to achieve to visit the rest of world. What am I missing - serious question.
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So what do people feel about Corbyns media speech today ?
Not seen it. Link?

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Thought you would have read this and had it framed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bc-licence-fee


or here is an alternative view, which I doubt you will read.

https://order-order.com/2018/08/23/c...r-media-plans/
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So what do people feel about Corbyns media speech today ?
I think I would go along with most of it provided that the BBC is allowed to remain neutral, and doesn't become like Pravda of old. Big Media has a lot to answer for in my view and should do more to pay for public service broadcasting. At the same time I would expect a reduction in the dross that fills our screens today, especially from the other side of the pond.

However, I am circumspect of his plan to "Require the BBC to publish equality data, including for social class, for all creators of its content, whether in-house or external" as that will almost inevitably result in further 'dumbing down' of output.
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I think I would go along with most of it provided that the BBC is allowed to remain neutral, and doesn't become like Pravda of old. Big Media has a lot to answer for in my view.

However, I am circumspect of his plan to "Require the BBC to publish equality data, including for social class, for all creators of its content, whether in-house or external" as that will almost inevitably result in further 'dumbing down' of output.
Second link added for balance.
https://order-order.com/2018/08/23/c...r-media-plans/

Plus a question from Nigel F in response to his speech.

"Can @JeremyCorbyn tell us how many Labour MPs are working class or have worked in manual labour?"
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Yes, that does paint a rather different picture.

To quote:

According to the Labour Party’s former Head of Press & Broadcasting, Jo Green;

I find elements of these media reforms rather sinister. And I don’t believe for a second that they are motivated by a belief that a future government should be held to greater journalistic scrutiny.”

Now there's a surprise.

Is there any precedent for a communist dictator running the state media I wonder?
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