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ACDSee or DXO

I'm looking to finally ditch Adobe when my contract runs out in March. In the meantime I've been looking at alternatives and am considering ACDsee or DXO Optics Pro as possible alternatives.

I do realise that neither of them are Adobe substitutes but I just don't think ACR does the Olympus files any justice.

So I'm asking if anyone uses either of these two and could you give your opinion.

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Re: ACDSee or DXO

I'm very happy with DxO although it does have its limitations. The print module isn't very versatile (you can add a title for example but it's limited to the image filename) and there are no layers for more complex editing. But I think it does a good job of raw conversion and the Prime noise reduction is excellent (provided you have a fairly powerful computer and/or lots of spare time!). The lens corrections are superb, especially the removal of chromatic aberrations and distortion. You can download a 30-day evaluation copy for free. I haven't used ACDSee.
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

What's wrong with Adobe? DxO is more of an accessory to complement a primary photo editing application. I haven't used ACDSee for a while, but it was at that time feeling quite out of date.

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Re: ACDSee or DXO

Apart from the subscription model, which I really hate, I just find that Lightroom is not giving me as good results as it used to.

I'm an experienced Lightroom user, don't use Photoshop all that often, so I guess this is really all about Lightroom. Over this past year I seem to be finding that my photographs are not as sharp, and noisy in some cases. I haven't changed my working practices but there's something I just can't put my finger on. Whatever I am dissatisfied with the RAW processing within Lightroom/ACR

Maybe it's me, but I've I've been trialling other RAW processors over the last few months and I seem to be getting better results.
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

How would you migrate over to a new way of working and still have access to the LR processed images.
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

DXO is my preferred RAW processing program, but I use several others for the things they do best.
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

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How would you migrate over to a new way of working and still have access to the LR processed images.
For the already processed Lightroom Images, that I have used for my blog, Flickr, sold etc they are saved as fullsize JPEG's

Anything else is just a RAW file that can be easily developed in another RAW processor
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

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DXO is my preferred RAW processing program, but I use several others for the things they do best.
I tend to use one software for everything, makes life less complicated. So with Adobe I normally use Lightroom, along with NIK and Topaz Plugins which I access from within Lightroom.

At one point I dabbled in Luminosity Masks with Photoshop but found them far too complicated and most times I could get good results from within Lightroom.

I'm beginning to see that DXO, as much as I like it, is not going to give me everything that Lightroom does.

However ACDSee is closer to the mark. I can use the plugins, it has layers, a management tool, RAW processor etc
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

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I tend to use one software for everything, makes life less complicated. So with Adobe I normally use Lightroom, along with NIK and Topaz Plugins which I access from within Lightroom.

At one point I dabbled in Luminosity Masks with Photoshop but found them far too complicated and most times I could get good results from within Lightroom.

I'm beginning to see that DXO, as much as I like it, is not going to give me everything that Lightroom does.

However ACDSee is closer to the mark. I can use the plugins, it has layers, a management tool, RAW processor etc
With all due respect I detect a change of tune here! Originally you stated your main dissatisfaction was with RAW conversion quality with Lightroom. Do you know if ACDSee is any better? DXO Optics Pro is all about image quality but it's really a super-sophisticated plug-in for RAW conversion rather than a comprehensive stand-alone application.

If you want a more of an all-in-one solution I recommend you have a look at Cyberlink PhotoDirector. It's also good value.

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Re: ACDSee or DXO

Out of curiosity I had a look at your Flickr site and this one caught my eye:

Dunnock by Mike Hardisty, on Flickr

It's definitely looking grainier than I would expect from ISO 800 on an E-M1. I wouldn't expect to get a result like this with Lightroom if the original was of good quality. This image could of course be a considerable crop.

I would be very happy to have a look at the original RAW and see if I could do any better if you are interested.

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With all due respect I detect a change of tune here! Originally you stated your main dissatisfaction was with RAW conversion quality with Lightroom. Do you know if ACDSee is any better? DXO Optics Pro is all about image quality but it's really a super-sophisticated plug-in for RAW conversion rather than a comprehensive stand-alone application.

If you want a more of an all-in-one solution I recommend you have a look at Cyberlink PhotoDirector. It's also good value.

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Out of curiosity I had a look at your Flickr site and this one caught my eye:

Dunnock by Mike Hardisty, on Flickr

It's definitely looking grainier than I would expect from ISO 800 on an E-M1. I wouldn't expect to get a result like this with Lightroom if the original was of good quality. This image could of course be a considerable crop.

I would be very happy to have a look at the original RAW and see if I could do any better if you are interested.

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It is a considerable crop but if you want to have a look at the RAW here's a link to a OneDeive folder https://1drv.ms/f/s!Algtqj2ELIkj3D9Jx3t5drqkSNwy
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

Here's an ISO 800 E-M1 shot using the 75-300 taken 2 1/2 years ago and processed in Lightroom. It's a crop down to nearly 1/7th of the total area of the frame:



To be honest, the camera settings were wrong as I had enough light for ISO 200.

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Re: ACDSee or DXO

That looks nice and clean. I'm looking for an ISO 800 file that I may be able to crop to about the same amount to see if it is as clean
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Re: ACDSee or DXO

Thanks to Mike for letting me have a go with his RAW file

It's a very challenging picture as a) the dunnock is very small on the frame indeed and b) the light is flat and dull, typical dunnock habitat! Mike should be applauded for getting the shot as sharp as he did at 1/80th at 300mm, too - I would like to know if it was hand held or on a support of some kind.

The image is not super sharp and this could be due to movement at the quite slow shutter speed or because at 300mm the m.Zuiko 75-300 is not regarded at its best sharpness.

Anyway, here is Mike's interpretation, followed by mine:

Dunnock by Mike Hardisty, on Flickr



My natural inclination was to go for a brighter and warmer version but I have since leaned more towards Mike's colour balance.

Feedback very welcome!

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