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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Arrived today at Kirkenes, Norway. Did a test shot of the sky. No aurora but how does one do processing to get those milkeyway and etc out?
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

I have seen the Aurora in Harriniva in Finnish Lapland back in January 2004. It was - 27*C and the Minolta Dimage A1 that I had simply would not work at that temperature. But I had a great hour or so out on my own in the wilderness at around midnight very near the Swedish border. The sky was clear but there was no moon and no artificial lights. Yet, the starlight reflecting off the snowbound landscape gave a visibility of over 100 metres. It was very surreal and the sight of the Aurora after 5 days waiting was mesmerising.
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Back when I was still using the e-330, i had a trip to harbin china to view the ice carvings, the battery could only last about 20 or so shots. I had to keep swapping in and out batteries. But strangely , this em1 don't seem to have the same problems.
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

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Arrived today at Kirkenes, Norway. Did a test shot of the sky. No aurora but how does one do processing to get those milkeyway and etc out?
Milkyway currently west for you best time between 6 to 8pm gmt.
While you are there take as many wide angle shots of the milky way as you can using a shutter speed of 300/fl x2(for FT) and of course take RAW. Camera on tripod no more than ISO1600. Try and get the histogram 1/3 from the left. The fun can start when you get home but try and get raw data while you have beautiful dark skies. You will then need to stack them using Deep sky stacker and usually lightroom or photoshop will bring them out. Good luck.
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

First attempt. The surroundings were not conducive. Question, how do I bring up the lights.

Why am I stuck to iso1600 in livecomp mode?
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

I can't see your image?

Best use the BBCode option from Flickr - just paste the BBCode straight into your post, no need for wrapping in IMG tags.

And it should come out like this (one of mine):

PB060289-HDR by Ian Burley, on Flickr

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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Sorry ian, Android (no offence to anyone with that id) hates me.
https://m.flickr.com/photos/blu_pages/30183831774/
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

You have actually captured a bit of aurora in one of those photos.
Your focus is a bit off though - you'll need to use manual focus and set to infinity.
Be prepared to experiment with different settings, but in general for the Milky Way they should be somewhere around:

Aperture wide open, (I'll assume f2.8)
ISO 1600 or 3200
Exposure anything from 10-30 seconds depending how bright the sky is (20-30s at ISO 3200 for Milky Way)
Noise reduction on auto.
Switch off image stabiliser when using tripod.
Use 2 second shutter delay.
If there's any moon then forget trying to get the Milky Way - it'll be swamped by the moonlight.
I have never tried using live comp so can't answer your question about the ISO limitation.

One thing I have noticed is that photos always appear brighter on the camera LCD at night than they do when subsequently viewed on the computer screen!
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Hopefully you can see the EXIF on Flickr for these two photos from a couple of weeks ago:

Milky way and airglow by DavidMB2006, on Flickr

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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

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First attempt. The surroundings were not conducive. Question, how do I bring up the lights.

Why am I stuck to iso1600 in livecomp mode?
Unfortunately astrophotography images rarely show their potential on the back of a camera or even when 'normally' processed. Did you you just take the one image? What focal length and exposure settings did you use was it raw? If you could post the raw image / images if taken on some thing like a drop box I am sure we could help show what can be achieved.
Your image shows a landscape which is a bit more tricky to process with multi frames. as the stars will move relative to the landscape. One way round this is to take an image exposed for the land and several images exposed for the stars. Process the land image and create a layer of just the land process the stars and create a layer of just the stars then merge the two together. The other option is to crop out the land

As for why only ISO1600 in livecomp you'll have to ask Oly. Livecomp is looking for pixels which are lighter in value than the last frame and then it overights the value. I have found that 1600 is more than adequate. Livecomp is unlikely to help with milky way images. You need to accept that increasing ISO does not increase the number of useful photons hitting the photosite (pixel), only wider apertures does that, i.e its the lens that makes the difference. Increasing ISO only amplifies that signal and the noise that goes with it. I accept it has the appearance of showing more light but increasing the exposure slider has the same effect.

I realise that your time is limited where you are so do not bin your images that you think do not show. Take them raw keep the histograph away from the edges make sure your focus is good and bring home those images as there is a lot to be gained from the processing of that image data.

For focusing Oly has the fantastic features using Live View Boost On2 (cogs D) and x14 magnify. pick a star and adjust the focus so that the star appears the smallest white dot. Note when using Live View Boost On2 there is several seconds (yes several seconds) delay in response to button presses.
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Lovely Milky Way shots David but I can't see any exif on flickr though?
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Lovely Milky Way shots David but I can't see any exif on flickr though?
Sorry about that. I've changed the privacy settings, so it should be visible now Phil.
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

Am still stuck with android. Next week,when I get home, will do posting.
Let me try linking an uploaded pic

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blu_pa...shares-j908u3/


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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

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Am still stuck with android. Next week,when I get home, will do posting.
Let me try linking an uploaded pic

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blu_pa...shares-j908u3/


Editing to be done only after 11 dec.
Unfortunately I cannot download as your privacy settings are set to disable downloads. Are you also taking RAW images?
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Re: Planning to go & see the aurora lights

This android just hates me. Maybe i should get a surface/pc phone.

The shot is in jpg, pls try the earlier link.
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