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Off camera flash

What do you guys use for off camera flash solutions?

Wired with a cable? Wireless triggers?

I'm a little lost, if I am honest.

Price is (always) a consideration and so I am looking for a modest and ideally portable solution to help my hobby; some macro, some portraiture, some interesting and new angles to explore hopefully.

I currently have an EM1 and FL50.

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Re: Off camera flash

Mostly use PiXeL Pawn wireless triggers:

Pixel TF-364 Pawn 3-in-1 Flash and Shutter Trigger for: Amazon.co.uk: Camera & Photo Pixel TF-364 Pawn 3-in-1 Flash and Shutter Trigger for: Amazon.co.uk: Camera & Photo



However with FL50Rs there is the option of RC via flash from the control unit attached to the E-M1

Sometimes for macro and other such table top work a good old wire to the PC Skt works well.
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Re: Off camera flash

With the right flash, I gather Olympus cameras can manage wireless TTL control.
Unfortunately not an option with my set-up, & the '4/3 TTL cable' I got is not working at all either
My budget flash works well directly on the camera, & all the wires in the cable conduct perfectly well, so I'm not sure what the issue with my cable is...
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Re: Off camera flash

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using wireless triggers rather than a cable (even one that works, Mike!)?
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Re: Off camera flash

Wireless triggers work best when you have to move around. i used them to shoot school productions. it meant I could wander around without being tethered to the studio flashes.
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Re: Off camera flash

The simple cable can be very long and just triggers the flash.

The full cable has all the connectors and provides Zoom, Pre-Flash, red-eye reduction, focus assist and TTL functions. But it's short and coiled so a bit restricting.
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Re: Off camera flash

Useful stuff.

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Re: Off camera flash

It is said that a Picture paints many words so...

IMO the only place for flash is off the camera even a few inches such as you get with a flashbar makes a lot of difference

I'm using wireless units when I want multiple off camera flash and need to move around a lot. My kit is cactus V2 trasmitters and receivers which are now so old I note they are not shown on their comparison page any more http://www.cactus-image.com/cactus_f...omparison.html

The older ones were cheap, but I note the V6 is "professional prices", but a quick search shows the V4 are still around





My reason for wireless is I often want NO light from in front like in this



Or I want to be able to reset things fast like these





Time is if the essence when people could be cold or tired

On the other hand these are taken with a curly cable because it's reliable and fast, I tend to hang a flashgun around my neck and tuck it in my caving suit when using it





As has already been said there are times that any wireless type technology can let you down (I had 2 fail on me on my last caving trip and resorted to cable to make sure I got some shots). I like the flashbar when taking event type pictures and I use whatever I think is going to work best for the day - no perfect answer as usual - have fun trying it all

BTW - I would not advise purchasing any second hand flash equipment from me ever - it will have been thoroughly abused and very grubby

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Re: Off camera flash

Stunning shots. I was convinced wireless was the way to go and then I saw your cabled shots!
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Re: Off camera flash

I use these most of the time, easy to carry, reliable and cheap https://www.jackthehat.co.uk/thumbs/...0612142034.jpg remote flashes all bought from charityshops for pennies, just make sure the batteries have not been left in before you buy
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Re: Off camera flash

I use 4 Pocket Wizard IIIs. 1 master and three on the strobes.

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Re: Off camera flash

"Triggers" have only to fire a flash and can be simple and cheap.

If you want TTL metering you need the Olympus R series flash or similar.
On my EM-1 the basic setup for macro is an FL-LM2 on the hot shoe, with its flash turned off but controlling the other units. On an L-bracket I have either an FL-50R or an FL-36R. The fill comes from one or two FL-300Rs on other bracket, either on the lens barrel or free-standing.

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Re: Off camera flash

Hi Everyone,

Slightly off the subject! But still concerning flash, I recently attended a Studio workshop with my E-M1 but the remote trigger for the strobe lights refused to work. Have to say it could have been the firmware issue recently corrected? Would that have stopped it working?

Are there remote triggers out there that work with the E-M1? Or do you need to use the small flash that came with the E-M1 to fire the lights? Rather like the wireless trigger?

Olympus tech could not really help me or my tutor apart from saying you need to use the small flash on the E-M1 hot shoe to fire additional strobe lights off camera. But surely the light would affect the subject and ruin your set up?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Off camera flash

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Olympus tech could not really help me or my tutor apart from saying you need to use the small flash on the E-M1 hot shoe to fire additional strobe lights off camera. But surely the light would affect the subject and ruin your set up?
I use mine with the trigger flash light turned off. I still switch the unit on by popping it up. It does emit a pre-flash for metering but does not contribute to illumination during exposure.

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Re: Off camera flash

Thanks! Now to find some lights!
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