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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

OlyPaul (Paul) those examples you posted above are top-notch, both in terms of quality and composition, the first in particular is an excellent study.

I know 'gear' is irrelevant, to a degree, but what may I ask were they taken with, particularly the optics? And what did you use for scanning,, looks brilliant, you'll have a lot of people leaping for their film cameras. I'm glad I kept mine in hind sight.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

I agree Oly Paul's examples are excellent. I am particularly impressed by the blacks in the first image.

I too will be trying some Tri-X very soon!

I have an unused packet of D76 so that is even more reason to give the D76 a go. I imagine it can be used with Ilford films too, but no processing times are given?
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Nigel - have a look at "The Massive Dev Chart" at digitaltruth:

http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php

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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

And I've just spotted in its FAQ:

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Are the times for D-76 and ID-11 the same?

These developers are almost identical. Any starting point time for one is good for the other. Ilford's published times for development of Ilford films in ID-11 have been preferred to the Ilford times for D-76, as the manufacturer's data for its own product line has undergone greater testing. Conversely, Fuji's published times for D-76 and ID-11 have been maintained as there is no way to establish which time might be more accurate.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Tri-X 400 at 800 ISO developed in D76 (Bessa R3A, 40mm):



HP5+ developed in DD-X (Bessa R3A, 40mm):



XP2 stand developed in Rodinal 1:100 for 90 mins - rather than C41 as it's supposed to be (OM-2N, 40mm):

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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Holey moley those B&Ws are stunning guys, very skilful.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

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Tri-X 400 at 800 ISO developed in D76 (Bessa R3A, 40mm):



HP5+ developed in DD-X (Bessa R3A, 40mm):



XP2 stand developed in Rodinal 1:100 for 90 mins - rather than C41 as it's supposed to be (OM-2N, 40mm):

Great examples, No2 is a particularly lovely portrait.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Particularly impressed by the blacks in No 3.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Thanks Phil, John and Nigel. The way blacks are rendered with XP2, and the almost complete lack of grain up to 400 ISO, make it one of my favourite B&W films, along with the fact that it's so easy to develop and process. If I happen to be developing another C41 film I bung it in with that, or otherwise just put it in Rodinal for an hour or so. Also, the film dries flat and is very easy to scan (unlike Tri-X).

However, for medium format I tend to use Fuji Acros at 100 ISO and Tri-X for everything else.

By the way, a good source of film is Nik & Trick in Brighton. They often stock unusual films and they sell films singularly, so you can try one without having to commit to buying 5.
http://ntphotoworks.com/
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Ooohhhh, Acros 100 in medium format, dribble, drool....

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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

I bought some FP4+ and HP5+ roll film from Mathers only a few weeks ago.

I was told that Fuji Acros was discontinued, but perhaps not. Calumet list it but it is currently out of stock in 120 roll film. I do fancy trying some in 35 mm though. There again, the XP2 looks good too.

So many good films, so little time.


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I am particularly impressed by the blacks, lack of grain and detail in this image. Which film scanner did you use Roger?
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Nigel, Acros 100 is very much alive and well (thankfully). They may have been getting confused with Neopan 400, which has been discontinued. I love FP4 too, but mostly tend to use Acros.

I used a cheap and cheerful Epson V500 to scan the negative.

John, this is medium format Acros 100 developed in Rodinal 1:25 (Hasselblad 501C, 80mm):

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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

Stop me if you've read this already: http://thephoblographer.us3.list-man...7&e=b8a5b56ba0

Ok then, have a quick squint at the latter part of the article, pages 4 and 5. The lesson is this: With digital, we (not me of course ) take pics because we can, hoping something can be made of them in PP. On the other hand with 36 image opportunities, we had better make sure most if not all are good in terms of exposure, composition and subject interest - unless it's those disposable cameras provided at weddings (do they do that any longer?).
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

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Stop me if you've read this already: http://thephoblographer.us3.list-man...7&e=b8a5b56ba0

Ok then, have a quick squint at the latter part of the article, pages 4 and 5. The lesson is this: With digital, we (not me of course ) take pics because we can, hoping something can be made of them in PP. On the other hand with 36 image opportunities, we had better make sure most if not all are good in terms of exposure, composition and subject interest - unless it's those disposable cameras provided at weddings (do they do that any longer?).
There is an element of truth in the concept that limiting a good photographer to just one film will encourage them to be more selective, think more about what they are doing and, ultimately, become a better photographer. However, limit a bad photographer to just one film and they will still shoot 36 frames of cr*p. What's the quickest way a bad photographer can improve? By practicing with unlimited frames using digital, but (most importantly) using the benefit of instant review (okay, chimping) to analyse what worked, what didn't and what needs to be improved.
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Re: B&W films for street photography - my daughter's latest A level project

It's funny how your mindset changes. I hate 36 exposure films because it takes me so long to finish them!

I've witnessed a few people start off photography on film. You'd think that the cost of using film would make them more conservative because they don't want to waste film getting it wrong, but the opposite seems to be true. Maybe it's just the mindset of young people who choose to use film in a digital age, but they very quickly seem to jump in to experimenting with double exposures, cross processing and so on. Whether that makes them 'good' photographers is open for debate, but inventive and creative, certainly.

By the way, in that article this bit made me laugh, "Pro Tip: the latest emulsions of Kodak Portra were designed to be scanned. We recommend Portra 400 more than almost anything else out there."
That was obviously written by someone who sends his film to a lab to be scanned. If he did it himself he would know that Portra is one of the hardest films to scan, and the number of internet tutorials devoted to how to try to get the colour balance right when scanning Portra is testament to that.
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