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OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

It appears that the M5 is being discontinued.
I am looking at either the M5 or the M10.
Jessups has the 5 with 3 lenses.

Cost not an issue. Is there a compelling reason to go with the newer 10?

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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

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It appears that the M5 is being discontinued.
I am looking at either the M5 or the M10.
Jessups has the 5 with 3 lenses.

Cost not an issue. Is there a compelling reason to go with the newer 10?

Thanks
Tim
Hi and a warm welcome to the group.

The E-M5 has been replaced by the E-M5 Mk II which is now the newest camera in the OM-D range. Compared to the Mk I it has further enhanced Image Stabilisation, improved ergonomics and a range of additional features.

The E-M10 is the lower spec/lower priced version of the range and lacks weather sealing and has only 3 axis stabilisation compared to 5 axis stabilisation of the E-M5 but has some firmware controlled features not available on the E-M5.

There are certainly some very good offers around on remaining E-M5 stocks.

Any of the three options will give good results. If you have a budget that will cover any of the options you just need to decide on the value to you of the various features.

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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

I'd go for the E-M10 without a hesitation. The firmware is much newer so you'll get a bunch of really useful features:

- Live composite (fantastic feature)
- First curtain electronic shutter (0s anti-shock)
- More AF points
- Mysets assignable to the mode dial (almost essential IMHO)
- Lens priority IS
- and many more

Also, the chance of the 5 getting future firmware is close to zero. The E-M10 is still a current model so it will be better in this regard.

Also:

- The ergonomics of the 10 are better - buttons moved around and not squishy
- The 10 has integrated flash - very useful for fill-in and as a wireless controller
- The 10 has an extremely nice add-on grip that doesn't need taking off when you change batteries as with the 5
- The processor in the 10 is newer - so faster and probably better JPEG images

The potential downsides are the IBIS and the weather sealing, BUT:

- The 3-axis IBIS is excellent - the 5-axis variant may beat it for macro shooting, but that's probably not a big factor for most of us
- The E-M5 of course has weather sealing that the 10 doesn't. Only you'll know if that's an issue - but you'll need weather-sealed lenses to make use of it.
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

For wildlife shots the EM10 has more individual focus points. I find it locks onto a moving subject better than my EM5. Other than that, both give great results.
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

Thanks,
Any comments on their kit lenses?
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

Olympus arguably over-delivered on the E-M10...which is why you will see loads of threads asking the same question as you have.

Instead of looking at the E-M10 as the lowest specced model as mentioned above, I look at it as the last body release of the first generation of OM-D's...it has the same sensor as the 1 & 5, the same processor as the 1, the same rear screen as the 1, the same AF points (81) as the 1. It is extremely ergonomic, particularly with the additional grip, Wi-Fi works really well and Live Composite is very well implemented (neither of these are on the 5)...for me, the additional focus points are very useful and focus peaking (again, not on the 5) works very well too.

With the current £75 cashback offer, it would be a no-brainer for me.

Can't comment on the kit lens(es) as I've never used them.
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

weatherproofing: do many get their cameras wet? Dust would a bigger drama for me now that think of about it; not much difference to inside the house or outside for that matter
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

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Any comments on their kit lenses?
Olympus kit lenses are good and well worth getting unless you intend to shell out immediately on the pro range of lenses. Once you have one of these on your camera you don't take it off.

The biggest problem is finding a bundle that suits. I've seen E-M5's bundled with either the 12-50mm or the 14-42 Pancake EZ; and I've see E-M10 kits with the 14-42mm Pancake EZ or the 14-42mm II R, and both of these with the 40-150mm in a twin zoom kit.

The pancake zoom is only "good" but it is very small (you can slip an E-PM2 + 14-42mm EZ in your trouser or jacket pocket). On a E-M5 or E-M10 it works well but the size advantage of the lens is lost a bit as the camera is of a medium size.

The 12-50mm is excellent, has a very good (near) macro, and a silent variable speed electronic zoom for use with video. The only downside is that it is a bit long physically and you get the feeling that you might hit the end of lens if you swing the camera about a bit. I have not yet come across this bundled with the E-M10, only the E-M5. Out of all the kit lenses this is my favourite and of course has the longest range of the kit zooms.

The 14-42mm II R is a run of the mill optically good kit zoom of average size. I don't have one of these but I don't see people rushing to get rid of theirs if they do have them.

I don't think the 14-150mm can be had as a kit with either the E-M5 or the E-M10 at the moment (someone will probably find one now and prove me wrong) but the main reason for getting this is as a "one lens for all occassions" when you do the tourist trails and do not want to stop and change lenses. It is a bit softer than the 40-150mm as there are more compromises to get the zoom range. The 40-150mm is excellent value for money (just like the 45mm prime) and as part of a double zoom kit is even better value and will cover all occassions. There is a bit of an overlap if you later get the 75-300mm so if you are set on getting the longest lens Olympus currently do then the double zoom kit may not be the option for you (but then there is that hole from 42/50 up to 75).
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

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weatherproofing: do many get their cameras wet?
Yep! My E-M1 goes to the beach with me to get shots of the kids splashing in the surf. It's great not to worry when they decide to splash me!
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Any comments on their kit lenses?
They are OK so far as IQ goes, but they all suffer from being slow (small aperture). m43 needs fast lenses to get the best out of it IMHO.
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

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Here is another regarding lenses:
There are a lot of the old OM lenses around such as:
Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8 Silver Nose
Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8
Will they adapt to the E-M10?
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

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Here is another regarding lenses:
There are a lot of the old OM lenses around such as:
Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8 Silver Nose
Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8
Will they adapt to the E-M10?
Simple answer Yes.

One of the great benefits of all micro 4/3rds cameras for many people is that a wide range of "legacy" lenses can be used since they only need what is effectively a spacer to give the correct lens flange to sensor distance. The Olympus made adapter for using OM lenses is the MF-2 but a number of "third party" makes also exist. Adapters can also be found for lenses of other brands such as Canon and Nikon to be used. One thing to remember is that all "legacy" lenses will only work in Manual mode because they cannot be auto focussed.

I have no personal experience of using "legacy" lenses but I know a number of members have a lot of fun using a wide range of what are very good (optically) old 35mm lenses which can be found very cheaply on e-bay etc.

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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

I got myself E-M10 with pancake kit zoom couple of months ago. The lens is nice size and the camera even fits into pocket. IQ for the lens... well it's good for kit but I would like to have something sharper in the future.
Somewhere I saw rumor that Olympus will make E-M10MarkII soon.
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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

Here I am, pretty well convinced about the OM10.
Another question for all you pros:

There are many older OM 'film' lenses going for reasonable prices.
Here are a couple:

Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8 Serial No. 3617967
Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8 Silver Nose
I assume you need an adapter and then what about focus and how the camera reacts to a non 4/3 lens?

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Re: OM-D E-M5 or a OM-D E-10

I can't answer specifically about control as OM is one of the few lens fittings I don't have.

But if there's no electrical connection the camera works fine on P A or S* with you manually focussing and selecting the Aperture.

*A is probably best to use and I've never used Auto, so maybe that works too??
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