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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

I have doubts as well, I think the price estimates are quite a way off, 100% at least.

Quite a few of these kikstarter ventures fail through lack of funding. In the case of the Reflex the tooling costs alone will be hellishly expensive especially when aesthetic contours are added to make it look pleasing. The only way to keep the cost down is to sell in volume to recover the set-up costs, and to minimise the added value (human labour).
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

One answer might be 3-D printing which is advancing in leaps and bounds. You don't need tooling for that and I can see applications such as this (i.e. complex design and comparatively small quantities) possibly taking advantage of it?
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

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One answer might be 3-D printing which is advancing in leaps and bounds. You don't need tooling for that and I can see applications such as this (i.e. complex design and comparatively small quantities) possibly taking advantage of it?
Let's hope that is the case.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

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Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
On the face of it, it does indeed seem 'too' cheap John, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be brought to market for that figure or close to it. 3D printing is mentioned in the article plus the use of several components that are already made by the many 3rd party suppliers to the main players in the digital market.

Also there is IMO no doubt that what 'we' pay for 'tech' in no way relates to its actual manufacturing cost. The bigger the company you are the greater revenue/return you need per item. Micro companies can run on much smaller margins/returns and 3D printing will ( actually 'is' ) helping to get projects off the ground that would have cost considerably more using traditional methods. Also many of these sort of projects are the brainchild of clever people with a passion for the idea and often put success in realising that passion over profit.

They say they will be at Photokina, so I guess we shall have to wait and see.

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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

There's still a few manufacturers making new analogue light boxes https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...-buy-brand-new
Time for a few more, including Olympus to re-Enter the market. Come on Olympus, make a new Pen F half frame, taking a modern 1.5V battery.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

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Why stop with a film back? If you really want to go retro, why not have a Daguerreotype back option, or any number of other obsolete technologies?



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Daguerrotypes really aren't much use at small frame sizes. Unlike most photographic options they produce the final print directly on the sensor with no secondary printing and no enlarging possible. (They are also a real pain to copy via normal photography.)
Large format is pretty much required which can easily be adapted to take the plates (preparing the plates on the other hand is very involved).


There are still some photographers producing Daguerrotypes as they produce an image with characteristics not matched by any other process.


Adding a relatively basic digital back could be quite popular though...


I like the idea of their I-plates, but the design doesn't look as if it will be able to ensure mounting at the right distance each time, so I don't see it working well.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

An update from the Guardian newspaper:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...P=share_btn_tw
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Why stop with a film back? If you really want to go retro, why not have a Daguerreotype back option, or any number of other obsolete technologies?



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Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
I commented earlier that the £135k they're trying to raise to complete development sounded way too low too. Low dev costs will inevitably mean higher per-copy costs. Nothing sounds right about this project aside from the desire to make a nice new film camera.

As other have said though - there are so many 35mm film cameras available on eBay etc I wonder where the market will be. You can pick up OM cameras from as little as £50 in good condition.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

In the main stream there's only Nikon and Leica still manufacturing film cameras, and for most film lovers they're way too expensive. Some of the old cameras of the 80's (or before) are quite affordable, but many rely on the skills of the old school service technicians to keep them running trouble free. Some however are becomming quite expensive, eg the 'Blads. (I hesitate to tell you what I paid for my black-paint Pen F complete with the 40 f/1.4, and more recently the 70 f/2 half frame lens I've purchased. I'll put it this way, the sum total for the Pen F and lenses would have comfortably afforded a new Pen Fd with a 17 f/1.8).

I agree with you that £135k doesn't seem anywhere near enough to fund the development of the Reflex, plus the set up and tooling costs. But I'm encouraged that some are at least trying to keep film and film cameras current. I'm also encouraged to see the younger photographers picking up and using film; we need many, many more to help the film industry survive.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

Who in the right mind would want to convert an analogue camera to digital?
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

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Who in the right mind would want to convert an analogue camera to digital?
It was considered in the very very early digital days. I think even a camera manufacturer actually made a gadget to fit into the film bay.

I remember talking about it to our local (20 miles) camera shop in those very early days.

And now.................
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It was considered in the very very early digital days. I think even a camera manufacturer actually made a gadget to fit into the film bay.

I remember talking about it to our local (20 miles) camera shop in those very early days.

And now.................
Yes, I was quite interested back when I still had my OM-4 - several manufacturers were said to be developing them. A reasonable idea at the time as long as the thing performed, since you'd already have all your lenses and other accessories that would just work, and you could switch between film and digital at will.

I assume the awful performance even of native digital cameras at the time made them stillborn. It would be a different matter now, with the around 12x the pixel count and 4x the dynamic range of modern sensors, but there's no way the market size would now justify the development costs.

If I was ever going to use film, part of the pleasure in doing it would be the tactile pleasure of using a mechanically superb piece of classic equipment that I couldn't afford 40 years ago. I can't imagine 350 quid today will buy any of that...
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