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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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That's a good idea, but only 10 options...
Is 10 not enough? Iíve only got C1-C3 now so an extra seven could be a selling point (except to the Simpsons or clumsy chefs)
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Is 10 not enough? Iíve only got C1-C3 now so an extra seven could be a selling point (except to the Simpsons or clumsy chefs)
I see your point, I'll inform Panasonic that 10 is sufficient and they can then crack on with the design. (Having translated into Japanese-camera speak.)

I think Panasonic (and possibly Olympus if they join the bandwagon) are missing a trick. Instax is the way to go: Pannystax, Olystax or whatever. This is where the growth will be. A lot of people want more than the digital image to share on Instagram etc, they want hard copy and they want it now!
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Instax is the way to go
Really? A quid for a tiny print?!

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It is very popular.
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Really? A quid for a tiny print?!

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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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Personally, I wouldn't want to see Olympus go FF if it meant that m4/3rds was going to take a back seat or, worse, get dropped.

The marketing men will only look at sales figures. One problem seems to be that people expect smaller format lenses to be cheaper. For example, there were complaints about the 'high' price of the PanLeica 100-400mm. But no-one mentioned the price of an 800mm f/6.3 lens for full-frame.


MFT has huge advantages for the sports/wildlife photographer who does not want to lug around enormous lenses
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

According to 43 Rumors today the new Olympus high end OM camera will not be full frame but will use a new m43 sensor with advanced video features. That is good news .... I think.

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-the-new...ew-mft-sensor/

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According to 43 Rumors today the new Olympus high end OM camera will not be full frame but will use a new m43 sensor with advanced video features. That is good news .... I think.

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-the-new...ew-mft-sensor/

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Well, itís not bad news, thatís for sure. If it came with a further development of the GH5S video/high ISO sensor it could be quite useful for stills usage, especially if it had IBIS and an even-faster read sensor.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

If its just better at video to try and catch up with the Panasonic GH5 then thats not such a big deal for me as I do very little video. I hope it has some extra goodies for stills as well.

Really glad its not full frame.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

I presume (!) that if they make a FF camera, our M43 lens will not fit without an adaptor, and they would result in being half their nominated Focal Length.

Whole new set of lens's then???
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Happy that Oly is staying m43. That means dedication to M43 lenses.

I'm not too happy that Panny is going full frame, and with a different lens mount, that means that, like Sony did when they brought out their E mount, they will forsake all M43 lens investment and concentrate on building their new full frame lens selection.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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I can't understand what's so 'magical' or optimal about a format based on early 20th Century cine film stock. I can understand it with a film camera - the film is cheap and plentiful, but why be constrained by the format for digital?

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Which is precisely why I like the 4/3 format. "Full frame" has no appeal to me.
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It is very popular.

Sorry for the thread drift. I think it's easy to underestimate the Japanese home market.


These displays were not in one of the giant electronics stores we visited in but in a store called Loft which is a sort of department store selling pens, paper, homeware, luggage etc.
https://www.loft.co.jp/



Instax display by AMc UK, on Flickr

This is just part of the Instax selection of papers and cameras available.




Vintage and Retro by AMc UK, on Flickr

They also had two massive display cases of reconditioned vintage lenses and adapters complete with sample images so you could see how your 1980's Sony TV camera lens would work.

The Tokyo branch had a full case of refurbed Polaroid cameras, a case of vintage film SLRs and a full display of disposable film cameras.





Back on topic.
I can see a lot of logic on Panasonic going for a FF mirrorless given their specialism for pro video.

If Olympus followed suit I wouldn't follow them though the same arguments to co-operate on a common lens mount would follow as they did for m43.

Greater range and lower cost of development.



As I've mentioned before Olympus seem to be tracking to higher and higher price points and I don't have the desire to cart >£2K worth of camera gear.
I don't know how the PEN line is doing these days but I would expect them to continue with m43 in that mode as again you see A LOT of them in Japan.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Instax aside, that’s a hell of a selection of camera straps!
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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Instax aside, thatís a hell of a selection of camera straps!
That's not even half of them! There are a few more pictures on Flickr if you click through but the Tokyo branch of the same shop was twice the size!

Also in Osaka was a 5 floor electronics shop with pretty much every camera manufacturer on display inc. a full selection of Olympus bodies and lenses, Leica etc. The only place I've seen things like spare eye cups out on display
Nothing was particularly cheap and some ambiguity about tax refunds meant I wasn't tempted to anything big.

Anyway apologies again for the thread drift but when people say that Japanese camera manufacturers make some odd decisions it's worth considering that Japan and the rest of Asia have a different slant from the UK/USA.
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