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Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II The second Micro Four Thirds camera that offers phase detect focusing so you can use Four Thirds DSLR lenses normally as well a Micro Four Thirds lenses.

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What settings does jpeg apply?

I know that shooting jpeg will automatically apply certain settings. How can I fins out what those settings are? I assume it's deep in the menu somewhere? Thanks for your help.
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I know that shooting jpeg will automatically apply certain settings. How can I fins out what those settings are? I assume it's deep in the menu somewhere? Thanks for your help.
It is buried deep in the EXIF of the photos taken (view in Olympus Viewer 3 for full Olympus detail as some EXIF readers may not identify certain lenses correctly, etc), but the SCP can show what settings (if selected to show SCP) that would be applied to the JPEGs, plus veiwing the images in camera by selecting the thumbnail view, it also shows a few of those settings. Are you using iAuto?
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Re: What settings does jpeg apply?

It might be more accurate to ask what settings RAW does not apply. JPEG interprets the RAW file, according to the settings you have made on the camera, such as white balance, sharpening, exposure compensation, and so on.



Olympus cameras also apply corrections based on data transmitted by the lens. These includes corrections of barrel or pincushion distortions, vignetting, and colour fringing.



Many of these corrections are also applied automatically when a 'camera and lens aware' RAW converter is used in a computer. Adobe and many other RAW converters, have a database of lens corrections, to implement these. It can be quite surprising to view a RAW image on a converter that does not apply these corrections!
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It is buried deep in the EXIF of the photos taken (view in Olympus Viewer 3 for full Olympus detail as some EXIF readers may not identify certain lenses correctly, etc), but the SCP can show what settings (if selected to show SCP) that would be applied to the JPEGs, plus veiwing the images in camera by selecting the thumbnail view, it also shows a few of those settings. Are you using iAuto?
Thank Ross, that enables me to move forward. However there are two things I don't understand - what is SCP and iAuto?
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It might be more accurate to ask what settings RAW does not apply. JPEG interprets the RAW file, according to the settings you have made on the camera, such as white balance, sharpening, exposure compensation, and so on.



Olympus cameras also apply corrections based on data transmitted by the lens. These includes corrections of barrel or pincushion distortions, vignetting, and colour fringing.



Many of these corrections are also applied automatically when a 'camera and lens aware' RAW converter is used in a computer. Adobe and many other RAW converters, have a database of lens corrections, to implement these. It can be quite surprising to view a RAW image on a converter that does not apply these corrections!
I always thought RAW was just that - the original file with no corrections. It seems that I am mistaken.
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Thank Ross, that enables me to move forward. However there are two things I don't understand - what is SCP and iAuto?
SCP is the Super Control Panel display that you can enable in the Menu & usually seen by pressing the OK button (& maybe followed by the Info key).
iAuto is on the Mode dial with PASM etc., but I'm in bed now so can't offer more help than that at this point.

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Re: What settings does jpeg apply?

Thanks for that Ross. I am familiar with SCP - I had forgotten that it was called that! And no, I don't use iAuto (I use aperture priority).
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I always thought RAW was just that - the original file with no corrections. It seems that I am mistaken.
No, you are correct. The RAW file is the original raw data from the sensor with no corrections plus a list of lens corrections (manufacturers data from the lens) and a list of jpeg corrections from the camera settings (user input). The RAW file reader (sometimes called "developer") will use none, some, or all of this list of corrections to present you with an image. The camera will use this information as well to embed a thumbnail jpeg in the RAW file alongside the RAW sensor data so you can view the image quickly and easily on the camera and on the computer (e.g. thumbnail view) without having to turn the RAW file into a jepg for display.

Your question is perfectly valid and the brief answer is any camera settings that you have put in that affect the final image (highlight/shadow control, default contrast, sharpening, colour balance - you name it) plus a few that tell you under what conditions the image was shot and don't affect the RAW processing(aperture, shutter speed, sequence number, lens, focal length etc). There is no list of such settings buried in the menu system.
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Re: What settings does jpeg apply?

So, if I import ORF files from my EM1.2 into Lightroom, and LR converts them to RAW files, these always have a certain amount of settings applied, thus altering their 'raw' state?
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So, if I import ORF files from my EM1.2 into Lightroom, and LR converts them to RAW files, these always have a certain amount of settings applied, thus altering their 'raw' state?

ORF simply means Olympus Raw Files. A raw file contains a list of numbers, representing the brightness values of each photocell on the sensor. Some of these cells are filtered red, some green, and some blue, so the raw file cannot be viewed directly. The first step in producing a viewable image is called de-mosaicing. This is a complex mathematical process, which takes all the numbers and uses them to create a coloured array of pixels, which do form a viewable image. The process takes account of camera settings, such as white balance, when creating this colour image.


Of course, the raw data are affected by some camera settings, such as aperture value and shutter speed, but most of the other user settings only come into play during the de-mosaicing process, which creates the image. This image can be displayed on a screen or a printer and may be saved in several different formats, such as TIFF or JPEG.


You may find the article on my website about raw files of some help:

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ORF simply means Olympus Raw Files. A raw file contains a list of numbers, representing the brightness values of each photocell on the sensor. Some of these cells are filtered red, some green, and some blue, so the raw file cannot be viewed directly. The first step in producing a viewable image is called de-mosaicing. This is a complex mathematical process, which takes all the numbers and uses them to create a coloured array of pixels, which do form a viewable image. The process takes account of camera settings, such as white balance, when creating this colour image.


Of course, the raw data are affected by some camera settings, such as aperture value and shutter speed, but most of the other user settings only come into play during the de-mosaicing process, which creates the image. This image can be displayed on a screen or a printer and may be saved in several different formats, such as TIFF or JPEG.


You may find the article on my website about raw files of some help:

http://home.btconnect.com/mike.flemming/usingraw.htm
When I've got a minute (unfortunately not right now), I will certainly read, and try to digest, the article on your web site. No doubt I will have another question after I've read it! Many thanks for your help.
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