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40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD


Sadly not quite an apples to apples comparison as I forgot to remove the converter from the Pro but here is an OOC JPG comparison.


Of course the Pro wins, but I needed to know by how much. Next time I'll remember to remove the 1.4X converter.
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

On my screen I can't tell a difference at all Mark, so in what way do you think the Pro is better? The Pro possibly has a slightly higher contrast?
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

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On my screen I can't tell a difference at all Mark, so in what way do you think the Pro is better? The Pro possibly has a slightly higher contrast?
Yes, that's the way it looks to me.

It would still be possible for the older lens to have higher ultimate resolving power, though, that could be brought out more in PP. Testing lenses for real-life use is quite tricky!
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

Contrast is slightly higher in the 40-150, but otherwise at this size it's hard to make a call on resolution. The other potential negative of the 40-150 - overly busy OOF blur - isn't evidenced on this shot since pretty well everything is in focus. Overall though I don't think image quality is a good reason to separate these lenses - size, AF speed, min focus distance, compatibility with focus stacking, and long term reliability are probably more important.
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

I think (occasionally) that the Pro has a tiniest bit better colour, but that could be down to many circumstances, PP, slightly different light at the time of pressing the shutter etc.

All a bit subjective as these photos are virtually identical to my eye anyway...
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

I think resolving power of the SWD is quite low compared to the pro. More apparent on the higher res sensors. You have not done the pro any favors by leaving the tc on and shooting at f8! At f4 naked the pro has nearly twice the resolving power of the SWD.

https://www.lenstip.com/201.4-Lens_r...esolution.html

https://www.lenstip.com/479.4-Lens_r...esolution.html
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

In fairness to the SWD would it not be better to test it on one of the newer mFT bodies rather than the E3 used in the Lenstip tests?
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

On my display the m.Zuiko lens delivers higher contrast. However it's hard to conclude from this as the light conditions could differ a bit between the photos and also since the angles of view are different it could result in more or less flares/contrast. A more fair and controlled test would have to use same focal length and aperture e.g. 50mm F/2.8 for both lenses, maybe same scene stopped down and also ensure that the same light elements are captured. Tripod?
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

Otto, yes, tad higher contrast.

Dr Mark, Ageed, quite tricky.

Pdk42, thoughtful comments. The scene below was shot an hour or so earlier. Agree, IQ indistinguishable, other factors you mention maybe more important.

MJ224, The images below are hard to separate as far as IQ goes. No PP in either, light identical, two or three minutes apart.

Beag' For a fair and more controlled test I will apply your suggested settings on the next.

Otto, both lenses were used on the M1.2. The E-3 was not used.

Tordan58, both lenses are m.Zuiko.

Many thanks to you all for your observations and thoughts.
The images below were shot deliberately in direct, low contrast lighting at virtually the same focal length.
My own conclusion is that the Pro has somewhat more contrast as evidenced by cloud shadows on yon mountain and other elements. EXIF data intact.



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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

For me the IQ differences are pretty insignificant, they are both very good. Just wondered why you were so concerned about it Mark?
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

Phill, as both lenses have comparable focal lengths, I needed to know how they performed in the situations illustrated, whether one is better than the other, and in what respect, etc. For example, I think the SWD may be better for portraiture.
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

It would be interesting to see the differences if you do a portrait back to back comparison.
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

Worst characteristic of the 40-150 IMHO is the harsh OOF blur. For portraits, I think that would matter.
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

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It would be interesting to see the differences if you do a portrait back to back comparison.
I will try and arrange that with one of my grandkids whenever I can get hold of one. Grandkids have about as much interest in participating in Granddads' photography as cats have in swimming lessons.
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Worst characteristic of the 40-150 IMHO is the harsh OOF blur. For portraits, I think that would matter.
Paul, what do you mean by "harsh OOF blur" (which I haven't noticed). Should I be looking more critically?

It is mid morning, cold, rain predicted, so I'm heading out to continue the comparison under different light altogether using Beag's suggested setup for the Pro.

EDIT: SEE POST #16 FOR TEST UPDATE
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Re: 40-150 Pro vs. 50-200 SWD

What Paul is talking about are the occasions when the 40-150 delivers really harsh or what I call nervous bokeh. If you remember I warned you about it before you got the lens. It's the only thing I don't like about that lens and it worries me that adding the x2 TC when it comes out will make it worse. We'll just have to see. A word of warning though DON'T go looking for it or you will see it all to often and it could spoil some of your best shots. Best if you don't notice it. Don't get me wrong the lens can deliver nice oof backgrounds but just with some certain subject to background distances and very busy backgrounds they do look horrible. Actually it's not just specific to this lens as I think the 50-200 does it too but just not quite as pronounced. Sigma make specific lenses called Art lenses that are designed specifically to show smoother oof areas. If Oly brought out a mk2 version of the lens designed in this way I'd buy one in a shot as it's just so annoying when it occurs especially on such an expensive lens. As Paul said it's probably going to be more noticeable as an issue doing portraits. I don't think anyone has done a systematic assessment of the issue, it would be really useful if they had.
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