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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Interesting comment about the bokeh. I often think the 40-150 suffers from pretty nervous bokeh. It's the one thing I don't like about that lens.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

This is a hypothetical question. I have an E-M1 Mk I and use it with a 50-200 SWD and EC-14 teleconverter for my bird photography. If I could afford only one piece of kit in the future would I be better off replacing the E-M1 with an E-M1 Mk II to use with the 50-200 or would the money be better spent on a Panasonic 100-400 to use with the Mk I? Purchasing both is definitely not an option.

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Re: Panasonic 100-400

I have been doing a little research since becoming interested in the 100-400. There is an article on the Corkboard Blog in 2016 about the qualities of this lens but there are also a number of comments about soft images, back focus problems and stiffness in the zoom ring. I have been impressed with 100-400 images presented here and wonder if the the users were just unlucky with a duff lens or not using it correctly. Link below

http://naturalexposures.com/leica-lumix-100-400mm/
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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This is a hypothetical question.
Static birds - get the 100-400mm
BIF - get the E-M1 Mk II

For both - get both ....
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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I have been doing a little research since becoming interested in the 100-400. There is an article on the Corkboard Blog in 2016 about the qualities of this lens but there are also a number of comments about soft images, back focus problems and stiffness in the zoom ring. I have been impressed with 100-400 images presented here and wonder if the the users were just unlucky with a duff lens or not using it correctly. Link below

http://naturalexposures.com/leica-lumix-100-400mm/
Rather amusing that Panasonic have Daniel J. Cox on board while Olympus have internet bloggers no one had heard of until they started blogging for Olympus.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Hi,

I have the Oly EM1 MK2 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 including 1.4x. I am so pleased with that lens combination in terms of flexibility, speed of focus, tack sharp images, being able to use it at much lower ISO giving cleaner images straight out of the camera so very little if any additional work needed in LR/PS/Neat Image or any other correction/enhancement software. I also own the Pana 100-400mm and have fantastic shots from that lens too, although in very dark grey overcast conditions we have had recently the ISO does needed to be up more than I would like in the 1250/1600 range to get the higher speeds. I much prefer using a max of 640 for more distant shots, find I can get away with the higher ISO when the subject fills screen. Still producing very good images but with some work in LR/Neat image. In brighter conditions the Pana 100-400 is spot on... with minimal adjustments needed.

Many recently (last few weeks) my plan of thinking was get a second body attach the 40-150 to one and the 100-400 to second body. I have been convincing myself I need to PX the Pana 100-400 for the Oly 300mm f/4. Yesterday I picked up an Oly 300mm f/4 to test for a few days via Test and Wow... combined it with the 1.4x made my way over to RSPB Pulborough Brooks.

The afternoon started reasonably bright having to use ISO 500 min as the afternoon went on eventually ended up using ISOs 1250-3200, now if the images were filling the screen I may have been able to get away with those settings but that wasn't the case.

When I got home imported all my test shots (all 1457 of them) and 10 videos I took.
To say I was disappointed with the results is an understatement. I was expecting similar quality results to the 40-150... but found that it was worse than the Pana 100-400. It may have been that it had been slowed by the 1.4x so needed higher ISO but that's what I need min 800mm.

The images were so noisy they are unusable for me. I have taken shots in similar conditions using my 100-400 @ ISO 1600-2500 and the images were acceptable to me. will carry out some more testing today as lens has to be returns tomorrow, however so far I am not seeing any convincing evidence that would persuade me to PX the 100-400 for the Oly 300 and part with a lot more cash.

So far I am disappointed With the results, the other point I would lie to mention is that the Pana 100-400 IS is rock steady @ 800mm wish I could say the same for the Oly 300 f4 with the 1.4x... why don't I use it without the 1.4x well quite simply the 800 end is the reach I need. And possibly using it without the 1.4x would improve it. Athough no point testing without 1.4x as my need it to have the long range.

At this stage unless I get much improved results today that meet my expectations, I will likely keep the 100-400 and just get a second EM1 MK2 body.

Or..... I may suffer the extra weight and PX the whole lot and go Canon or Nikon to get cleaner higher ISO images.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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This is a hypothetical question. I have an E-M1 Mk I and use it with a 50-200 SWD and EC-14 teleconverter for my bird photography. If I could afford only one piece of kit in the future would I be better off replacing the E-M1 with an E-M1 Mk II to use with the 50-200 or would the money be better spent on a Panasonic 100-400 to use with the Mk I? Purchasing both is definitely not an option.

Ron

That's a difficult one to answer.

Having had the EM1 MK1 and now have the EM1 MK2 and the Pana 100-400 I can say that the amount of keepers I am getting for BIF has improved over the MK1 version. That said the keepers are nowhere close to what I had with my Canon 7D MK2 or the Nikon D750 I px'd for the EM1 MK2 and Pana 100-400 (kinda regretting that a bit, but it is a compromise with weight/portability)

If you are happy with the quality and reach of the images the 50-200 provides, then the MK2 is an improvement over the MK1, but, there's always a but.. if weight is not important and you want cleaner ISO pics in good or poorer light conditions then look to a make with a bigger sensor, whilst the new 20mp is better than the 16mp you have in the MK1 it's still MFT.

I think that that MFT are almost there but not quite, possibly in the next generation or maybe a firmware update may do it, but as of now at 1800+ for a MFT body, don't get me wrong I do like the system, but do I like it as much as my previous Canon/Nikon camera/lens systems... apart from the portability of the MFT system, I would have to say no, overall taking into account not just view finder filling images (where Oly isn't too bad) but images of all sizes and distances. Overall I much prefer the image quality of my previous Canon/Nikon systems
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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Interesting comment about the bokeh. I often think the 40-150 suffers from pretty nervous bokeh. It's the one thing I don't like about that lens.
Yes, the 40-150 can suffer from terrible bokeh, especially with the TC attached, especially with specular highlights OOF. I also own the PL25mm and the quality of bokeh and general colour of the PL lenses are noticeably different to Oly (I say noticeably, not sure I could pick it up in double blind testing but you know what I mean).

I've not noticed any 'nervous' bokeh with the 100-400.

One thing it isn't so good at is stitching panoramas (I think telephoto is much the better option for landscape), this is due to some vignetting (even at 100mm) and softer edges.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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I have been doing a little research since becoming interested in the 100-400. There is an article on the Corkboard Blog in 2016 about the qualities of this lens but there are also a number of comments about soft images, back focus problems and stiffness in the zoom ring. I have been impressed with 100-400 images presented here and wonder if the the users were just unlucky with a duff lens or not using it correctly. Link below

http://naturalexposures.com/leica-lumix-100-400mm/
I've also heard that some people had issues with a stiff zoom ring and know of a couple that had them repaired or replaced under warranty. Mine certainly isn't too stiff - firm enough to prevent lens creep but not stiff. No issues with back-focusing (surely the focusing is done by the camera) and you can judge from my photos if the images are soft. Any softness in my images are usually down to user error!

Some of the test photos I saw on reviews of this lens showed the user's lack of experience of using a long zoom lens - yes, the OIS is good but you need to be realistic and some more distant shots were subject to atmospheric haze, rather than lens softness. Best to judge by the images produced by those who have had the lens for some time - and there are plenty of pin-sharp images on sites like this and Flickr.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Ron to give you my current opinion I'd say go for the EM1 mk2 and use your 50-200 plus x1.4 with it. The mk2 is definitely an improvement for just about everything. Why not give the Test and Wow a go like Goshawk is doing. I used to have an older 50-200 non SWD lens but I sold it when I got the 40-150 pro. To be honest I'm regretting that sale now as I seem to remember it had better bokeh than the newer pro lens and I could have saved loads of money.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Nawty thanks for that comment I was beginning to think it was just me that had bokeh issues. I'd been using it with the x1.4 attached most of the time I'll give it more of a go without and see what I get. Even more reason to go for a Panny 100-400 I guess. I know what you mean about the image look from the Panny Lumix lenses vs the Oly ones. It's quite subtle and I really don't notice anything in everyday use unless I do a direct back to back comparison say between my 14-140 Lumix vs the 40-150 Olympus. Not a fair comparison in IQ terms but the way the Oly seems to treat the colour is just that little bit nicer somehow.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

The variety of comments make this an interesting thread & dilemma.
I have the 40-150 + MC14 and think it delivers wonderful IQ but would like to use a longer FL occasionally.
I tried both the Oly 300 and the Panasonic 100-400 at the recent NEC Photography Show.
  • The 300 is too specialised and more expensive than I could justify.
  • The 100-400 is the right size & weight etc. but to my mind, based on the RAW files I captured at the show, suffers from the IQ weaknesses that I have found with other Panasonic lens on Oly bodies (e.g. the 4/3 PanLeica 14~150, the m43 100~300 & the m43 14~140) - the colour rendering seems muddier or less contrasty.
I can see from numerous images posted on this forum that others are achieving great things with the 100~400, but I think I'll wait in the hope that Olympus launch the x2 TC (MC20 ?) that they patented last year. This would yield 80~300 @ F5.6 in a small package that would add value to my existing lens. I live in hope
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Bought mine several months ago. An excellent lens. Only down point is that it is bulky compared to the 75-300mm Zuiko

However, as a birding lens, I find it superdooper...............

I also find that having both lens and camera stabiliser on works well, though cannot say it is any better than just the Mk2 IBIS.

Its very fast focusing, especially in the 5m to infinity mode.

That extra bit of reach with the 400mm is really worthwhile IMHO.........

Never go birding without it...................
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

Chris slightly less contrasty I'd probably agree with for the 14-140 but not for the Leica 14-150. Well not my copy anyway. I've been meaning to prize mine back off my daughter to have a go on the EM1 mk2 but haven't managed it yet.
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Re: Panasonic 100-400

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I also find that having both lens and camera stabiliser on works well, though cannot say it is any better than just the Mk2 IBIS.
With that setting only the lens IS should be active. I find the lens IS slightly better than IBIS unless panning.
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