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Freedom of Panorama Petition

Are you aware of the EU proposal to end our Freedom of Panorama? That would mean that if any of us took a photo of a public building, we couldn't share it on-line without teh permission of the architect.

I signed the petition against it; you also might like to:

https://www.change.org/p/european-pa...m_medium=email
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I've signed it.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

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Are you aware of the EU proposal to end our Freedom of Panorama? That would mean that if any of us took a photo of a public building, we couldn't share it on-line without teh permission of the architect.

I signed the petition against it; you also might like to:

https://www.change.org/p/european-pa...m_medium=email
The French have had this law for years; not that anyone in France takes any notice of it.

Another good reason to put the Eureaucrats in touch with the real world.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

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I've signed it.
Me too. Yet another vilification of photographers.

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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

Signed ; made comment on other post before finding this one.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

So, no more holiday snaps on Facebook for example? Sure, that'll work ...
Signed and shared.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

Signed. What's next, "Do you have a licence for that camera Sir??".
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

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Signed. What's next, "Do you have a licence for that camera Sir??".
I believe in some states in the USA and Canada you do need to get a permit to take photo's in some of the national parks.................. It's Capitalism that has gone crazy with everything having a monetary value, and people wanting a return on their investments........ How long before it will be illegal to buy an apple and take a single bite from it?

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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

I am somewhat reluctant to take what these petitions says at face value. I copied the following from European Parliament News:

"Freedom of panorama
On the “freedom of panorama” principle, such as the right to create and share images and photographs of public buildings, the text cautions that the commercial use of such reproductions should require authorization from the rightholder."

Here the emphasis seems to be on commercial use - "am I bovvered?"

More can be found at:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/e...rests-say-MEPs

I am confused and under the circumstances have not signed.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

The important thing seems to be "publication", but that includes sharing on sites like this for example. There appears to be nothing to stop you taking the picture, but you would not be permitted to publish it without the permission of the architect/artist/building owner/etc. I believe the London Eye has been copyrighted since its inception and strictly speaking you can't sell images of it without permission (and presumably a royalty payment). I suppose it's the architectural equivalent of a model release. Anyway, it's worth objecting on principle .
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The important thing seems to be "publication", but that includes sharing on sites like this for example.
I am not sure that you are right. From what I have read the issue seems to be "commercial use" but perhaps I have got it all wrong.
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I am not sure that you are right. From what I have read the issue seems to be "commercial use" but perhaps I have got it all wrong.
I think you're right, but the point is that at present we have the freedom, in the UK at least, to take pictures from a public space of whatever we want (including children, as it happens, though I don't particularly want to open that can of worms) and, if we choose, sell images of landmarks such as the Houses of Parliament etc. The proposed new law appears to inhibit that... but why?
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

There's a big difference between uploading photos of St. Paul's with family or friends standing in front to flocker and a model standing in front that's used in an ad campaign.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

There is a piece about this in AP today. It was started by a French MEP, Jean-Marie Cavada. His parliamentary assistant, it says, claims that Facebook exploits people uploading images to it by selling them on; and Cavada's idea is to force Facebook to pay the royalties (oh, yeah?) Sounds to me like someone who hates the principle of the Internet.

The petition was started by a German professional photographer, who says that it would be very likely to have a huge impact on both amateur and professional photographers. Wikimedia have been protesting, because it would force them to remove more than half the images on Wikipedia, they say.

It's said to be a mess, because it cannot possibly be enforced. An IPR lawyer who is a director of the Association of Photographers says that "feeling against it is so strong, he doesn't believe it will happen." We will see.
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Re: Freedom of Panorama Petition

Maybe we should leave the common market before it eats away all our rights?
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