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Re: Anti-Virus Programs 'Useless'

Kinda getting confused about AV now. Gave up with those progs several years ago, but do use Windows Defender. I have recently downloaded Malwarebytes, but have refused to pay for the subscription...….Just use the free offline version occasionally...


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Still utter nonsense and even dangerous nonsense - even in a Linux/Unix client environment

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-market-share/

https://thehackernews.com/2018/01/cr...lware.html?m=1

The guy doesn't even give any substantiating facts or sources for the daft statements he makes

The only reason that Linux systems are less likely to be targeted by malware authors is their pathetic market share compared to Windows clients which is a much larger pool of target users

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If you search for "Zonealarm firewall sucks" (which is more relevant) you get far fewer negative results and mostly positive reviews. YMMV of course .
I've mentioned before that 3rd party firewalls eg Zonealarm start up after the network is established, during which time the computer is open to the whole wide world of attacks. The Windows firewall is established as the network comes up. I guess that most users of TPFWs are probably protected, because the Windows firewall is silently giving them protection in the background, unless of course they intentionally disable it!

The Windows firewall is totally adequate. Why shouldn't it be - I'm sure MS has greater experience and development resources than a group of students programming in their bedrooms or 'one man bands'!

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The only reason that Linux systems are less likely to be targeted by malware authors is their pathetic market share compared to Windows clients which is a much larger pool of target users
The article appears to contradict the point you make!

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I've mentioned before that 3rd party firewalls eg Zonealarm start up after the network is established, during which time the computer is open to the whole wide world of attacks. The Windows firewall is established as the network comes up.

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The Windows firewall is totally adequate. Why shouldn't it be - I'm sure MS has greater experience and development resources than a group of students programming in their bedrooms or 'one man bands'!

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Students and one man bands? I don't think so! ZoneAlarm is produced by a company with around 4000 employees - Check Point Technologies. Are you certain that the core vsmon.exe process is not launched prior to the network connection? Certainly the user interface comes up later but it's the core process that's important. Either way, I'm happy that the product works for me and has done for years .
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It's a threat if you have the java run-time environment installed. In all the Linux distros I've met the JRE doensn't come as standard, and way before Crossrat, installation of the JRE was deprecated as it introduces potential vulnerabilities.

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The article appears to contradict the point you make!

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It's a threat if you have the java run-time environment installed. In all the Linux distros I've met the JRE doensn't come as standard, and way before Crossrat, installation of the JRE was deprecated as it introduces potential vulnerabilities.

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That link was merely to make the point that ALL client operating systems are vulnerable to malware.......
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In what way?
"What’s the most-used operating system in the world? Easy question, right? It’s obviously Windows.

But the answer might not be quite so straightforward. Sure, Windows dominates the home computer sector, but Linux powers far more of the world’s technology than you probably realize.

In fact, if it were possible to analyze every single piece of technology out there, Linux would almost certainly come out on top."

(Even a Transcend SD wireless card that I have uses Linux.)

OK - a lot of the Linux is embedded in firmware, but the associated config files are generally in RAM, and theoretically are able to be 'manipulated' by malware.

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"What’s the most-used operating system in the world? Easy question, right? It’s obviously Windows.

But the answer might not be quite so straightforward. Sure, Windows dominates the home computer sector, but Linux powers far more of the world’s technology than you probably realize.

In fact, if it were possible to analyze every single piece of technology out there, Linux would almost certainly come out on top."

(Even a Transcend SD wireless card that I have uses Linux.)

OK - a lot of the Linux is embedded in firmware, but the associated config files are generally in RAM, and theoretically are able to be 'manipulated' by malware.

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Surely in the context of this discussion we are mainly talking about client pc's at home or work?

But if you want to look at the higher incidence of the use of Unix based web servers over windows then I don't really see why that negates my argument TBH

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Symantec blasted:

https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2018/...&share-ad-id=1

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Re: Anti-Virus Programs 'Useless'

Interestingly I was moving some music files from a Windows10 VM across to my Mac when Sophos popped up saying there was a malicious file detected, quarantined/ deleted OK, but it must be the first time I’ve ever had it happen.
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