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Re: Silver Virgin

Very nice John, you seem to be getting a handle on it from those images.
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Re: Silver Virgin

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I agree with the others these look very good but I admit I don't know what PP you did either. Maybe you could post the originals as a comparison.
Good suggestion, Phil - here they are:-












No 1 was processed as Agfa APX 100 style

No 2 Ilford XP2 style

No 3 Landscape preset

No 4 Streetshooter 4 preset

No 5 Streetshooter 4 preset

Silver Efex has around 20 different film styles to choose from, plus you can visit the Nik website to download approximately 50 different presets. You can also save your own presets or import from a third party. I've imported 5 presets offered on another forum by username "Streetshooter" - No 4 and No 5 above both had Streetshooter 4 applied.
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Re: Silver Virgin

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Very nice... like the last one
Looks like you are starting to tame the program to do what you want to do

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I'm not sure that "tame" is the right word, Chris! I'm approaching each one with a large dollop of time-consuming trial and error until I get something resembling the look I want. Hopefully, as I become more familiar with the program I'll be able to make the right choice of film style or preset first time in many cases.
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Re: Silver Virgin

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Hi John - I know absolutely nothing about this - but would love to know more as I like Black/White and haven't tried anything in that line yet. So do tell more please.

For what it is worth - I love the "softness" of No.1 - it suits the subject for me.

My pick is No2 - I love the boldness - again - suits the subject.

No3 is dramatic, but not my cup of tea, although I know others will love it.

Looks like your new toy will be a lot of fun.
Hi Lyn,

I've given some more details in response to the comment by Phill D. I'm encouraged to hear that you think the processing of No 1 & No 2 suits the subjects, that's what I'm hoping to achieve.
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Nice shots John (as we would expect ) and the conversions are good. Quite a few people speak highly of Silver Efex. But the key question is - do you feel that you are getting, or will get, significantly better results than you could with Lightroom or Photoshop? Both have fairly flexible conversion methods so I wonder what you really gain by using an extra product.

Ciao ... John
Good question, John! I'm sure that these results can be replicted in Lightroom/Photoshop, but I'm not quite the expert in processing that some people assume - in fact, I struggle! What I have managed to achieve is a basic workflow in Elements that seems to work for processing my colour work. In reality this amounts to only minor tweaks in the main, because I try to get things as right as possible in camera. However, when it comes to more complicated processing, such as B&W conversion, I'm all at sea. Silver Efex simplifies this for me, quite paradoxically considering the complexity of choice it offers, by providing a large range of ready made options I can try until I find one that suits the image. I did trial the program several years ago and was impressed at the time, but it's only recently that I've been able to allocate the funds to purchase it!
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A superb set of images, I like No2 and No3 the best. I think you should print them out on Hahnemuhle Baryta FB paper the quality will make your jaw drop in amazement.

This software is probably the best BW conversion around at the moment, it might be worth your while looking at this archived webinar as it could help you get more from the software going forward. the link is here,

http://education.niksoftware.com/201...cott-stulberg/

Nik is a fantastic company with lots of online help for it's customers. I hope that Google who recently bought the company continues to develop it's products.

Hope this helps.

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Tom, thanks for both the Nik training link and the paper recommendation. I'm not sure that my printer would do it justice, but I might have a few printed by a specialist lab once I've got a decent selection under my belt.
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Re: Silver Virgin

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They all look great to me, especially No 5. No 3 looks similar to the black and white dramatic tone filter of the E-M5. I have considered getting Silver Efex myself. I think this post might have just made up my mind.
Oh dear! I seem to be causing you to spend money just lately, Roger!
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Re: Silver Virgin

All conversions look better than originals to me, John.
#2. is sensational, wish I had shot it myself.
#3 is an oustanding image, I seem to have I seen it before a long time ago?
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All conversions look better than originals to me, John.
#2. is sensational, wish I had shot it myself.
#3 is an oustanding image, I seem to have I seen it before a long time ago?
Thanks Mark. #3 I've certainly shown on the forum before, in colour. I've previously tried B&W conversions of this shot but never been entirely happy.
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Re: Silver Virgin

the colour shots are great, all have been enhanced by the conversion to b and w
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Re: Silver Virgin

Very interesting John, glad I asked you for the originals now.
No 1 - For me I prefer the warmth of the happy smiles in the colour version
No 2 - The B&W does it as it conveys a cold starkness to the situation
No 3 - I can't decide as I love them both either would be excellent on a wall
No 4 - The B&W does seem to lose detail but I think I prefer the added agression it seems to convey
No 5 - This I think is definitely better in B&W, it just seems to gain character.
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For my taste it is the mono versions as the colour intrudes in all the originals...nice street work...
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Very interesting John, glad I asked you for the originals now.
No 1 - For me I prefer the warmth of the happy smiles in the colour version
No 2 - The B&W does it as it conveys a cold starkness to the situation
No 3 - I can't decide as I love them both either would be excellent on a wall
No 4 - The B&W does seem to lose detail but I think I prefer the added agression it seems to convey
No 5 - This I think is definitely better in B&W, it just seems to gain character.
Thanks for the detailed feedback, Phil.
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John, Wot FUN I just remembered that Nik 3 full FX came with my update to Corel X4 now I shall have fun with that ... :0 Thanks for the Inspiration - I LURVE ONE
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