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Old 27th January 2015
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Converted to B&W

I took some pictures at a gig in Dec which I did post on the Forum FotoFair, which I hadn't altered much (size, crop maybe) but didn't do much else, I have been fiddling with this today in LR and converted it from colour to B&W and would appreciate thoughts....any way to improve it?



taken with the 40-150 2.8 Auto ISO...

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Re: Converted to B&W

This looks pretty good to me. I've just looked back at your other thread and for most of them, specially the tighter head shots, I don't think there is much to be gained from converting to B&W - unless you like it of course! - as you have managed to avoid distracting colours in the background. Your other shot of this singer stands up really well in colour.

Maybe the wider shots would benefit more from conversion. The ones where you have a couple of the performers seem to have quite a warm cast, and inevitably with a wider view there is more clutter around which can be less distracting in mono. And you could get rid of that hideous magenta in the one of the saxophonist

I hope you don't mind a bit of crit on a couple of the others - where you have concentrated on one performer the camera's metering has handled it really well. But with the wider views it looks a bit over-exposed to me. This is not really surprising as the camera will to a certain extent try to average out what is in the frame. Because there is more unlit background it pushes the exposure up, and the guys in the spotlight become too bright. You can avoid this to some extent by keeping an eye on the histogram and twiddling the dials as you go - although I vaguely remember that you can't dial in exposure compensation when using Auto ISO, which is a pain.

The lens has worked very well in your capable hands.

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Re: Converted to B&W

Hi - how did you convert them? If using software that emulates B&W (including different filters) I'd be tempted to try some different filters to see whether you can flatter the skin a little and perhaps add a bit more different in tone between the face and hair. Did you try a yellow filter as that is often a good place to start for portraits?

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Re: Converted to B&W

Improvements ? Get rid of the hair on the chin, 'tache, and the single nasal hair. Also the hair looping in front of the eye, and the errant "horn" hair :-)
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Re: Converted to B&W

The suggestions already made seem good and these should make it an even better picture than it is already.
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Re: Converted to B&W

As far as the mono conversion is conecerned you have managed some very nice tones.
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Re: Converted to B&W

Thanks everyone for the input.....I do like B&W it adds something, but that's purely personal of course. I think I could take out all the loose hairs etc, but it does show the quality of this lens....and as a newcomer to LR I need to practice more, and bearing in mind this is from the best setting for JPEG's, I may decide to shoot in RAW as well sometime, but that's after I get used to using LR !!...

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Re: Converted to B&W

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...I may decide to shoot in RAW as well sometime, but that's after I get used to using LR !!...

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Shoot RAW (or RAW +JPEG if you must) - you'll find that the process in LR is no more complex than the one that you currently use with JPEGs but it will give you much more latitude.

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Re: Converted to B&W

What Brian just said. Specially for this sort of work - stage lighting can have huge dynamic range and shooting raw will give you a lot better chance of pulling tone out of shadows and highlights. And as Brian says, with Lightroom the workflow is identical so you won't even realise you're using raw.

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Re: Converted to B&W

I think a shot that was more full face than profile would have eliminated the beard and 'tache problem; and the eye or eyes would have looked better. Maybe cropped less, so as to include all of the necklace and a bit lower down too; I find the necklace a bit distracting as it is, especially as the eye doesn't dominate.

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