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Does anybody know what the sites policy is on posting art-nude images. I have some nice images that I would like to post for some feedback but I don't want to offend anybody. So I thought I'd check it out first.
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Re: Art nude

Ian

Don't know if there is an official policy but I would love to see much more of your work as the edge you give to portraits is really nice to see.

For myself having been to art school and drawn from life models for years I would have no issues but others may see it differently. Or possibly the other Ian may have a policy.

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Re: Art nude

Basically, as long as it is artistic and not considered pornographic, it's OK. That's a bit vague of course! You can show the pix to me beforehand if you are still not sure. I'd like not to shock young teenagers, put it that way.

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Re: Art nude

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Basically, as long as it is artistic and not considered pornographic, it's OK. That's a bit vague of course! You can show the pix to me beforehand if you are still not sure. I'd like not to shock young teenagers, put it that way.

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Personally I think shocking the young teenagers is an excellent idea, on the subject of nudes there are a number of their seniors who I believe also deserve a good solid shocking.

We've become a strangely sick society in which any sight of a nude body becomes confused with a 'sexual' image, in which all endeavour is evaluated as sexual or sex displacement. A very narrow and censorious society.

So please post your nudes, old or young, saggy or taut, tall or short. The human body is a fact, a fact that in our isolation we have become increasingly unaware of.

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I firmly believe all styles of photography should be showcased here as representative of the skills of the individuals. No subject need be avoided or restricted (beyond that permitted by law or rules)

A very eminent person is attributed with:
"...the human body can remain nude and uncovered and preserve intact its splendor and its beauty..."

As for offending anyone, I also believe in "Don't Like, Don't Look". By simply using an appropriate title (or subtitle) this can easily be achieved. Although I bet you will get more viewing the images with "Nude" in the title than those without.

I for one appreciate your pictures and your skills and would be interested in seeing how you approach this very difficult subject.
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Speaking as a parent of 2 teenagers I think I can safely say that it would take an awful lot to 'scare' them.

Speaking as a 'senior' I think it's about time I had a good scare In fact I'm now looking forward to it.

Cheers
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Second that Neil
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Re: Art nude

Thanks to all for that feedback. My mind is now at ease, I have posted a selection of images in my gallery any thoughts or comments good or bad are welcome.
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Here is a sample from the gallery
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Ah yes, I can relate to that. One's body does start to fail as one grows older, doesn't it? I feel that way myself most mornings! Guess the pair of us will never look our best again, but keep taking the pills. One word of advice though, Dearie, best to keep a little more covered up at our age! You don't have much to say for yourself, do you? Ah, I see, one of the quiet type...still waters run deep and all that. Still, nice to chat to you, see you same place tomorrow? I must be off now, Dearie, got an appointment at the opticians in ten minutes, then it's home for meals on wheels. Now, where did I lay my stick......
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Is that it! - What a let down.

LOL.

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Re: Art nude

A bit late but as someone once said - "To be nude is art, to be naked is pornography"
So if you are submitting nudes that ought to be ok.
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Re: Art nude

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We've become a strangely sick society in which any sight of a nude body becomes confused with a 'sexual' image, in which all endeavour is evaluated as sexual or sex displacement. A very narrow and censorious society.

So please post your nudes, old or young, saggy or taut, tall or short. The human body is a fact, a fact that in our isolation we have become increasingly unaware of.

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Nick,

I have to disagree with your comments above since it is abundantly clear to any observer of our society that a substantial number of us are very aware of the "fact of the human body" and however much some may claim that nudity is not seen by most as "sexually stimulating or titillating" the reverse is in fact true. For example, when I am looking for my weekly copy of Amateur Photographer amongst the magazines on the newsagents shelves, I often have great difficulty finding it amongst the vast numbers of magazines with topless or near naked bodies on their covers. This week's copy of AP has an article showing Hector Heathwood's photographs which are described as "erotica". If reputable magazines feel they have to descend to this level then it illustrates all too clearly how low our standards of propriety have sunk.

I am aware that I may hold a minority view on this subject but I would be very sad if this "forum" were to include studies in nudity. I am trying to encourage my grandchildren to see the artistic opportunities in photography and am proud to show them the variety and quality of images produced by members of the E-System User Group.

However, I know from experience that I will be unable to explain that images of nudity are not necessarily pornographic.

If we must have "images of nudity" on this forum may I suggest that they are posted under another heading and not on either "Foto Fair" or "Looking for Perfection"

Ray.

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Taste is difficult to define - especially in contentious issues.

Personally I loved your pics - as good pics and as good images of women.

I dodn't find them salacious in any way - in fact much less so than Page Three or any of the Top Shelf covers our chilcren see every time they buy sweets from the corner shop.
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Nick,

I have to disagree with your comments above since it is abundantly clear to any observer of our society that a substantial number of us are very aware of the "fact of the human body" and however much some may claim that nudity is not seen by most as "sexually stimulating or titillating" the reverse is in fact true. For example, when I am looking for my weekly copy of Amateur Photographer amongst the magazines on the newsagents shelves, I often have great difficulty finding it amongst the vast numbers of magazines with topless or near naked bodies on their covers. This week's copy of AP has an article showing Hector Heathwood's photographs which are described as "erotica". If reputable magazines feel they have to descend to this level then it illustrates all too clearly how low our standards of propriety have sunk.

I am aware that I may hold a minority view on this subject but I would be very sad if this "forum" were to include studies in nudity. I am trying to encourage my grandchildren to see the artistic opportunities in photography and am proud to show them the variety and quality of images produced by members of the E-System User Group.

However, I know from experience that I will be unable to explain that images of nudity are not necessarily pornographic.

If we must have "images of nudity" on this forum may I suggest that they are posted under another heading and not on either "Foto Fair" or "Looking for Perfection"

Ray.
I would contend that what we have become familiar with is manipulated images of 'perfect' (where perfect has a very strange definition) bodies displayed in a sexual way. We have allowed the body, as an image, to become solely associated with sex.

That is not what I would regard as the 'fact' of the human body, rather it is a narrow cultural assumption. We have imprisoned our common form in an increasingly narrow definition. It is a circular prison, if all the representations of the body are regarded as sexually titillating, then any representation is sexually titillating and indeed the only acceptable response to a nude image is to be sexually titillated by it. By extension any depiction/activity clothed or not becomes sexual (at least potentially).

The fact of the human body is that it develops warts, it sags, it tells the history and the emotional state of the individual. It can represent growth, potential, grace, athleticism, vulnerability, strength and yes, at times, eroticism. It is the most common facet of humanity, we all share the same form and endure/celebrate the same progress.

If I see the depiction of an old lady, with worn out and starving body sitting exhausted by the wayside, cradling a naked and desperate grandchild. Then my reaction is not 'I wouldn't half give them one' ; it is one of pity, anger maybe an empathy of the despair. And yes, I've deliberately chosen an extreme example to illustrate how perverse our association of nudity solely with sexual activity is.

I would argue that it is increasingly necessary to depict the nude body in a non sexual context to defeat the narrowing of both our, and subsequent, generations perceptions.

So show your grandchildren nudes, lots of nudes, all sorts of nudes in all sorts of situations. They'll end up finding tittering is very boring, I know I did, it's part of growing up.

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