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National Trust

What do we all think of this?
http://tohatchacrow.blogspot.co.uk/2...ographers.html
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Re: National Trust

I saw it recently on Facebook and wasn't impressed. I might cancel my membership and join the RSPB at least until they start demanding permission releases signed by the birds
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If I were a member I would certainly be writing to the trustees re this decision. The NT has not had good publicity these last few days.
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Re: National Trust

If the Church of England caught on to this approach then all images of the outsides of churches and cathedrals would be taboo or illegal, unless the CofE think that they will inflict their punishment on the photographers in the afterlife.
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Re: National Trust

The solution of course is not to sell your photos, just make and use for your own enjoyment.

I have annual membership, and good value it is too.

Thinking about my situation, I'd probably pay people to use my photo snaps!
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Re: National Trust

Well what else would you expect from the NT given that it's Chairman (Tim Parker) has a world of experience as a ruthless venture capitalist?
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Re: National Trust

Gordon Bennett...

Will they want a fee for my red squirrels then?

My membership might not be renewed if they continue up this path🙁

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Re: National Trust

Honestly, how much are they really going to make from this sort of approach? The bad PR probably will cost them more. The wider problem of course is that we in the UK are increasingly being ripped off by a cartel of big businesses and wealthy individuals that extends well beyond the NT and their antics:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...r-energy-bills
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Re: National Trust

This is another idea imported from the USA where everything has its price and somebody is always out to exploit it. But for commercial use if somebody is going to make money out of somebody else's property then it's not unreasonable to charge them. What could be unreasonable is the amount of the charge and 400 an hour sounds very unreasonable. For retrospective claims I suspect they'll have to prove that a photo was not taken from a public right of way!

Edit: Actually, this gives me an idea. I live in a "picture postcard location" (the estate agent's words, not mine!) and there are loads of pictures of my house on the web. I should set about claiming my share
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Re: National Trust

Not quite a straightforward issue the National Trust are not alone

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...estigation-map

How would you feel about someone using a photo of your garden for commercial purposes without your permission?

However, for private use there is very little restriction on photography at NT properties both inside and out. At some properties there are issues where the Trust does not own the copyright but this is pretty uncommon. I have over 1000 images taken on NT properties.
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Re: National Trust

http://hilltrek.co.uk/blog/hilltreks...tland-dispute/
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Re: National Trust

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Not quite a straightforward issue the National Trust are not alone

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...estigation-map

How would you feel about someone using a photo of your garden for commercial purposes without your permission?

However, for private use there is very little restriction on photography at NT properties both inside and out. At some properties there are issues where the Trust does not own the copyright but this is pretty uncommon. I have over 1000 images taken on NT properties.
If someone took a photo of my house and made a shed of money, I would not mind. I would be upset with myself for not realising the value myself.
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Re: National Trust

Short memories Folks - Not long ago you couldn't take any photos in NT Buildings. I agree that if they own and have to maintain the Asset, then they have a right to pursue commercial use of their Asset. However like all things, reason has to prevail. Silly or inappropriate charges = less revenue.


NT has a bad reputation for many things so this will not help their case.
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Re: National Trust

When I saw this, I thought it might be the decision of the NT to enforce the decision to make volunteers wear their LGTBQPNF badges. If you want to know what the PNF stands for, don't ask - very un-PC.

The NT decision makers have reigned back on this, they have been quite absurd. What next, charge us for breathing the air while on their land? Presumably, photographers have paid through either subscription or entry fee, surely that should be enough?

Incidentally, there is no requirement to charge VAT until an annual turnover of 83,000 is reached, I suspect that the income of most pro photographers falls well below this figure.

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Re: National Trust

I didn't renew my NT membership some donkey's years ago as they stopped photography inside the buildings. Have they reversed that now?

Anyway, 400 per hour. At 1/50th to 1/1000th second per shot I don't think it would amount to very much.
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