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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

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If all our regular users contributed a pound a month, that would go a long way to making the site self-sustaining, but that's not going to happen.

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I don't see why not Ian, that seems a very reasonable "membership fee" if you wanted to look at it that way.
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

I would consider a subscription option that would reward subscribers with some kind of privileged access or service on the site, but not at the expense of general access. One thing I do need to do is to attract more like-minded members to register with the site and a subs-only model would limit that potential.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

I definitely don't want to impose a have and have-nots scenario on the site. I am not confident at all that an imposed subscription will work, either. I'm a good example of why; I almost never subscribe for paid content online. I'm sure I should but I never get that far as I simply move on before exploring what's on offer. We don't have enough new people joining as it is. While existing users love the site and many would no doubt have no problem paying a sub, this would seriously lock out new members.

The proposal to implement a charge for selling (maybe repeated selling) might be worth looking at.

Affiliate sales income could be the long term funding mechanism for the site but only if we grow the membership substantially. That would need modernisation of the site. While existing members are used to the way the site works, to new members the site will look clunky and old-fashioned.

Another possible strategy is to employ ads and then you pay for ad-free access. We already do this to an extent with a few ads shown on pages if you are not logged in.

There are many possible options but they all have their pros and cons.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

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Another possible strategy is to employ ads and then you pay for ad-free access. We already do this to an extent with a few ads shown on pages if you are not logged in.
I have no objection to ads. I'm a very regular user over at AVforums and most of what I see relates to photography and my other interests so I don't find it intrusive or unwelcome.
I'm also a member at mu-43 but feel the subscriber/non-subscriber does create a two tier feeling which I'm not keen on.
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

FWIW...…..Yes we can and have made donations to keep up a good forum. But I think it might become tedious if you have to remind everyone again in six months when the heat has died down so to speak...………….

Amongst other strategies, encouragement to make a regular donation, ie monthly via Paypal would suit. After all I regularly donate £8+ to Adobe Lightroom without too much pain.

Secondly I thing the Amazon commission will work well, just need to make it bleedin' obvious to us all. Heck, I buy quite a lot off Amazon and have no problem bleeding them of 5% every time to support the forum.

At the same time, the site should be free to all, and get newcomers into the fold.

I am very happy to support the forum, it is a little Oasis of fun and support..
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Done Ian, I may not log in but keep up to date with the "going ons" on the site daily, and have used the buy and sell over the years. In my opinion one of the best and most friendly site going.
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FWIW...…..Yes we can and have made donations to keep up a good forum. But I think it might become tedious if you have to remind everyone again in six months when the heat has died down so to speak...………….

Amongst other strategies, encouragement to make a regular donation, ie monthly via Paypal would suit. After all I regularly donate £8+ to Adobe Lightroom without too much pain.

Secondly I thing the Amazon commission will work well, just need to make it bleedin' obvious to us all. Heck, I buy quite a lot off Amazon and have no problem bleeding them of 5% every time to support the forum.

At the same time, the site should be free to all, and get newcomers into the fold.

I am very happy to support the forum, it is a little Oasis of fun and support..
Thanks! All your points are duly noted

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

The For Sale section is one of the busiest, most contentious and time consuming (to moderate) areas of the Forum. Why not make it earn its keep by being visible only to subscribing members - with everything else free as at present?
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Not sure about restricting access to the For Sale forum...

I've bought and sold loads of stuff over the years and would be very happy to donate modestly for that privilege, but quite a few of the sales and purchases have been from/to new-ish members here and we might be cutting off our noses to save our faces by reducing the number of potential purchasers.

It's a fine forum, from which I've benefited in all sorts of ways over many years, and one of the advantages has been its inclusivity combined with sensible & active moderation. There are people on here with massive experience in every branch of photography, and I don't think we should inhibit anyone from wanting to participate in that.

Why not see how income goes over the first year, and surely there wouldn't be an issue with repeating the call for donations occasionally as needed (like every 6 months - whyever not???). I can't see that would be onerous or thought intrusive.
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The For Sale section should be free to all to read, but a fee levied on people advertizing unless they have a subscription to the site.
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Not sure about restricting access to the For Sale forum...

I've bought and sold loads of stuff over the years and would be very happy to donate modestly for that privilege, but quite a few of the sales and purchases have been from/to new-ish members here and we might be cutting off our noses to save our faces by reducing the number of potential purchasers.

It's a fine forum, from which I've benefited in all sorts of ways over many years, and one of the advantages has been its inclusivity combined with sensible & active moderation. There are people on here with massive experience in every branch of photography, and I don't think we should inhibit anyone from wanting to participate in that.

Why not see how income goes over the first year, and surely there wouldn't be an issue with repeating the call for donations occasionally as needed (like every 6 months - whyever not???). I can't see that would be onerous or thought intrusive.
If we levy a charge, it would be on sellers, not buyers.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

We've now reached no less than 25 donors - great work everyone!

Thank you to one and all

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Just trying to throw some ideas in as to what members would pay for and my starting point is that some members pay to hire Olympus equipment from Ian. Is it possible to organise, say once a year, a group meet that costs those attendding a small fee (approx £20?) but to which Ian can bring a selection of equipment for each person to try for half an hour or so. Rather than hiring a pice of equipment for a few days you are hiring a number of pieces for a small fraction of the time and the equipment is only out for the day, in effect it is a group hire. I don't know how the numbers would add up to cover the insurance & transport of the equipment and return a profit to Ian (i.e. the site) but I see some potential in the idea. I'm thinking it as a bit like the Olympus Test and Wow scheme or an Olympus shop event but only for the day and with no guilty feeling if you don't buy anything.
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Just trying to throw some ideas in as to what members would pay for and my starting point is that some members pay to hire Olympus equipment from Ian. Is it possible to organise, say once a year, a group meet that costs those attendding a small fee (approx £20?) but to which Ian can bring a selection of equipment for each person to try for half an hour or so. Rather than hiring a pice of equipment for a few days you are hiring a number of pieces for a small fraction of the time and the equipment is only out for the day, in effect it is a group hire. I don't know how the numbers would add up to cover the insurance & transport of the equipment and return a profit to Ian (i.e. the site) but I see some potential in the idea. I'm thinking it as a bit like the Olympus Test and Wow scheme or an Olympus shop event but only for the day and with no guilty feeling if you don't buy anything.
Interesting idea - at any rate we need to do more meets!

I can certainly approach Olympus for their input on this.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Is there no scope for a little profit from any logo’d merchandise? Or perhaps a calendar made from 12 months worth of challenge winning photos?
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