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Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

Rainy morning here in Puerto Del Carmen, so some quality MacBook time...

JPEG and Raw (respectively).... Which do you prefer?


Puerto Del Carmen Old Town Harbour
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

I prefer the slightly warmer colour rendition in the second, and you seem to have brought out the shadows a bit better. But I'm sure you could have done both of those with the other file if you had wanted to, so it is a preference in treatment rather than method.

Which doesn't help much, does it

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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

There is a lot of confusion around Jpeg and Raw.

You can't view a Raw file, it is just the 0's and 1's from the sensor output. It needs to be interpreted by viewing software.
The 'camera jpeg' is that same raw data converted to a jpeg picture file by the camera's onboard computer using the method you preselect (vivid, B+W etc..) in the camera.

When you use the Raw data yourself to make a picture file (jpeg or Tiff or whatever) you are following the same process, but without the benefit of the in camera presets (unless you use the Oly software which has them in it). The Raw converter you use will have a myriad of adjustments to create the final picture to your taste.

Therefore the benefit of saving the Raw data (as well as the final picture (jpeg)) is the fact that you can go back and have another go and change anything (white balance etc...) you like. With just the jpeg you only have a limited amount of adjustment that can be done and still keep a reasonable "quality" image.

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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

I prefer the slight extra saturation in the first one as it helps define some of the architectural details and the remote hills. With Beagletorque on the RAW versus JPEG conundrum. I often tweak the JPEG to suit unless there is some detail lost in the JPEG conversion that could be brought out by going back to the RAW before it gets converted to a JPEG to view.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

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When you use the Raw data yourself to make a picture file (jpeg or Tiff or whatever) you are following the same process, but without the benefit of the in camera presets (unless you use the Oly software which has them in it)

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Lightroom also has the Olympus presets (in the Camera Calibration panel of the Develop module). These are almost certainly not the exact settings used by the camera but a close approximation using Lightroom's processing.

I have an import preset to apply "Camera Natural" during the import to get me a starting point close to what I'd get from the camera. If you don't do this, Lightroom uses "Adobe Standard" as the default for raw imports.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

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Rainy morning here in Puerto Del Carmen, so some quality MacBook time... JPEG and Raw (respectively).... Which do you prefer?
The first appears a tad sharper, Jason.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

There doesn't seem a great deal of difference between them really but if I had to choose I'd go for the second one as it seems to have better detail in the highlights eg the white boat hull. I assume that this is the one you developed from the raw file Jason?

Interesting LR comment from Steve about the adobe raw input settings vs Olympus settings. I didn't realise there was an option for them to be changed. How do you do it Steve? Maybe start another thread with the details and an eg of the difference it makes. I for one would be keen to understand it more.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

Not sure it's worth a separate thread. Just go to the Develop module, move down to and open the Camera Calibration section of the RH panel and the Profile entry allows you to select the profile you want to use. The available entries change depending upon the camera used to shoot the current image.

You can't set the camera profile directly on import, so you need to create a develop preset. To do this, click the "+" sign at the RH end of the Presets section of the LH panel. Deselect everything except Process Version and Calibration and save the preset with a suitable name.

Now, in the Import panel, set the Develop Settings (in Apply During Import, RH panel) to your new preset. Also set any other things you might want (I add my copyright info using a Metadata preset. Finally, create an import preset using the Import Preset control at the centre bottom of the import panel.

You now have an import preset that sets the camera profile and whatever other presets you've added.

Hope that helps.

Added: As to the difference it makes, you should just experiment with the available presets in the Camera Calibration panel.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

How can you show a Raw file here? It would have to be a JPEG to post it in the first place. So both images are JPEGs

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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

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How can you show a Raw file here? It would have to be a JPEG to post it in the first place. So both images are JPEGs

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How can you show a Raw file here? It would have to be a JPEG to post it in the first place. So both images are JPEGs
Well, you can't show a RAW directly but you could embed the RAW file or provide a link. I think we are discussing Straight Out Of the Camera (SOOC) which will include any camera settings and filters against a RAW file processed in post by any one of a number of editors which can output JPEG, bitmap, TIFF, GIF for display and inclusion in a forum post.

The different RAW processors will all render the RAW file in a slightly different way (the JPEG engine), take account of the camera settings or not, or apply their own settings. By manually taking charge of the RAW file rendering through post processor options you can bring out details that were lost in the original in camera JPEG engine.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

The yellows and whites are a bit brighter in the first Jpeg than the second Jpeg, and since it is obviously a scene from a sunny day I prefer the first Jpeg.

Neither of those images is a RAW.
You cannot see a RAW file, it is image information to be rendered into an image format ... one of which is called Jpeg.
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

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The yellows and whites are a bit brighter in the first Jpeg than the second Jpeg, and since it is obviously a scene from a sunny day I prefer the first Jpeg.

Neither of those images is a RAW.
You cannot see a RAW file, it is image information to be rendered into an image format ... one of which is called Jpeg.
That makes you the third....
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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

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Well, you can't show a RAW directly but you could embed the RAW file or provide a link. I
The raw file is a pure data file, it is not an image. The raw file has a JPEG "side-car" file attached which is what you see in camera. To see the image a JPEG or TIFF file has to be created.

What's this "1st rule" thing?

BTW, why "RAW"? It's not an acronym.

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Re: Old Town Harbour, Raw vs JPEG

To be pedantic, you can't "see" a jpeg or tiff file either, they're ones and zeros just like a raw file. You need software to interpret the data and display it in a form that makes it a visible image. So in that sense, there's no difference between a raw file and a jpeg, they both need suitable software to display them as a visible image!
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