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The reason is simple to understand. Everyone's p!$$€* off with digital and they're turning their attention to film cameras. No wonder the second prices are on the up. Grrr!

More seriously, the digital camera has become an established mature product, so manufacturers are chasing a diminishing demand by adding minor improvements to attract those poor individuals who are incapable of saying no - the pure gear-addicts. Additionally, the camera technology in mobile phones has improved so much, of late, that many find the 'camera in the pocket' to be more than acceptable, and one you rarely leave the house without.
Other than Leicas and suchlike, 35 mm film cameras have little value these days; the logic being that apart from B&W, digital does a better job and is a lot more convenient.

However, the prices of medium format film cameras have more than doubled in the past few years, so it seems that people are prepared to pay for quality.

Photographic film itself is also selling in greater quantities now than for many years.
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Peak Imaging will process it as B&W. Sadly I don't think anyone offers colour processing anymore.
I understand that it is B/W stock with colour dyes added (possibly not technically accurate). You might be able to process it as B/W yourself.

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Other than Leicas and suchlike, 35 mm film cameras have little value these days; the logic being that apart from B&W, digital does a better job and is a lot more convenient.

However, the prices of medium format film cameras have more than doubled in the past few years, so it seems that people are prepared to pay for quality.

Photographic film itself is also selling in greater quantities now than for many years.
I was walking past Campkins in Cambridge this morning, and they've got a lovely-looking Rolleiflex in the window complete with leather case. I was tempted until I saw the price sticker - 850 quid and you can release your inner Vivian Dorothy Maier...
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

The last Kodachrome lab closed some years ago I believe but yes, it can be processed as black and white. The Kodachrome process was complex and expensive and became unviable as volumes dropped following increasing competition from the cheaper E-6 process films which had become of much better quality.

When I lived in Hemel Hempstead I used to drop my films off at "Box 14, Hemel Hempstead" (I think it was 14, I may be wrong) which in reality was a small wooden box attached to the Kodak site gatehouse!
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I was walking past Campkins in Cambridge this morning, and they've got a lovely-looking Rolleiflex in the window complete with leather case. I was tempted until I saw the price sticker - 850 quid and you can release your inner Vivian Dorothy Maier...
I bought my RZ67 Proii from Japan about three years ago in mint condition. The total cost of the body with a 'standard' 110 mm f2.8 lens was about £450 from memory. The same combination is now selling on eBay for £1,800 plus! Likewise the Mamiya 645 Pro that I bought for next to nothing in 2004 during the rush to digital.

Some will see medium format and B&W as fashion items, but I genuinely believe there is a new breed of amateurs who are both enjoying and appreciating these wonderful machines for what they are.
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When I lived in Hemel Hempstead I used to drop my films off at "Box 14, Hemel Hempstead" (I think it was 14, I may be wrong) which in reality was a small wooden box attached to the Kodak site gatehouse!
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

I am not sure where this thread has wandered off to. I can' t see young women these days adding a Rolleiflex to their handbags to complement their iPhones!

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Yes it was Box 14, HP2 7EH.
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The thing I disliked most about Kodachrome was the cardboard mounts. Most of the competition used plastic which was stronger and meant a sharp edge to the image. The actual film was excellent but once Fuji launched Velvia I gave up Kodachrome almost completely.
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I am not sure where this thread has wandered off to. I can' t see young women these days adding a Rolleiflex to their handbags to complement their iPhones!

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That may be the case, but those same young ladies do like to see themselves in B&W. Indeed, large numbers of younger men and women who were brought up in the 'digital' age are attracted to film photography.

It is also worth pointing out that photographic film is better now than it has ever been, with most of the poor quality consumer films having been culled by the major manufacturers.
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I am not sure where this thread has wandered off to. I can' t see young women these days adding a Rolleiflex to their handbags to complement their iPhones!

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I wouldn’t be too sure, Ron. I was doing some street photography over the weekend between Whitechapel and Hoxton, and I chatted to a young couple in Columbia Rd where the bloke had a fantastic condition Hasselblad 500C/M and his girlfriend was sporting a similarly immaculate OM-4.

They were art students and they said classic film cameras, especially medium format, were used by most of their classmates.

All very hipster, but it’s good to see young people doing proper photography, analogue or digital, not just old grey farts like me. It does bode reasonably well for the non-phone technologies.
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

I have a 20yo friend who is very keen to learn how to use film. He's very good with his DSLR and his first attempt with film was pretty good too, once he understood that ISO was not adjustable on a per-shot basis!
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Re: Global Shipment of Digital Cameras Down

Returning a bit closer to the original thread, it was interesting to see the shedload of negativity Olympus got before shipment of the 1X - especially on dpreview the usual trolls were predicting the imminent demise of m4/3.

Of course, once phones get good enough to really gut m4/3 then APS-C will go at the same time and FF will only be a year or two behind: technological development won’t stop, but they don’t seem to think beyond the size of their own sensor

BTW the dpreview trollers have moved on from the Olympus forums (since the 1X seems accepted to be pretty good), so now they’re having a go at the much-anticipated but apparently disappointing Ricoh GRIII and the rather sad Canon EOS R series.
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They were art students and they said classic film cameras, especially medium format, were used by most of their classmates.

All very hipster, but it’s good to see young people doing proper photography, analogue or digital, not just old grey farts like me. It does bode reasonably well for the non-phone technologies.
Our son took a second degree in Photography, graduating last summer. They had to use large and medium format cameras, and also developed and printing their own films; but they did of course use digital cameras and work flows too.

Surprisingly they didn't get to use coloured filters with B&W film.

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Of course, once phones get good enough to really gut m4/3 then APS-C will go at the same time and FF will only be a year or two behind: technological development won’t stop, but they don’t seem to think beyond the size of their own sensor
But will they? Any new technology that is used in phones can equally be applied to 'proper' cameras. µ43, APS and FF will always have bigger sensors and better lenses than phone cameras, so quality will always be better, and there will always be those willing to pay for quality.

I can remember a time in the 1990's when many people (especially newbie wedding togs) believed, or at least tried to persuade their clients that 35 mm was 'as good as medium format'. Of course it never was 'as good as MF' and never could be; but the quality provided by 35 mm was sufficient in many cases, just so long as large prints were not required.
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But will they? Any new technology that is used in phones can equally be applied to 'proper' cameras. µ43, APS and FF will always have bigger sensors and better lenses than phone cameras, so quality will always be better, and there will always be those willing to pay for quality.

I can remember a time in the 1990's when many people (especially newbie wedding togs) believed, or at least tried to persuade their clients that 35 mm was 'as good as medium format'. Of course it never was 'as good as MF' and never could be; but the quality provided by 35 mm was sufficient in many cases, just so long as large prints were not required.
Yes, you’re quite correct about people not considering the point about all systems moving on (and Olympus have already moved on further in many ways than all the other manufacturers, in the ‘computational’ area, anyway).

The ‘death of m4/3’ trollers were mainly talking about the mass market, however, and that will have an impact especially in some remaining ILC areas - for example I’m sure there will come a time when I’ll be happy with the quality of the phone I always have in my pocket for street and much travel photography. It’ll also have the advantage of being visually low-impact.

So I’d say the future of all ‘real’ cameras is going to be as specialist and expensive tools aimed at hobbyists and pros, and the 1X is a perfect embodiment of that in the ‘action/expedition/outdoors’ market. There will be money to be made by manufacturers doing that sort of thing, and our gear is going to get more expensive but better at doing certain niche things, but the key to manufacturers’ survival will be how well they restructure to cope.
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