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View Poll Results: Are you getting fed up with Brexit and should we go back to discussing other things ?
YES - Close the thread 21 47.73%
NO - Keep the debate going on for eternity 23 52.27%
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Good choice ! On offer at Morrisons for 17 unless you're a connoisseur of the more vintage variety. Limited to 20 bottles per customer though

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18 at the Co-op with no advertised limit, but I doubt they've 20 in stock
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Why not try Scotch ? It’s from the UK I believe so not impacted by brexit.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

After the UK leaves the EU, Theresa May is going to need all the friends she can muster on the global stage, if the U.K. is to avoid being isolated. On 30 August, she will be in Kenya to discuss security, corruption, trade deals and strengthening the UK/Kenya relationship.
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After the UK leaves the EU, Theresa May is going to need all the friends she can muster on the global stage, if the U.K. is to avoid being isolated. On 30 August, she will be in Kenya to discuss security, corruption, trade deals and strengthening the UK/Kenya relationship.
Not too sure she will be there for Brexit so make the most of her visit to Kenya.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-lord-kerslake

I really hope some sanity can prevail before Armageddon hits us.
Yeahbut it's in The Guardian, and we all know what a 'leading Brexiteer' on this forum thinks of the paper. IIRC they read it "for laughs"!

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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If I was a cynical person I may suggest Lord Kerslake is possibly biased, considering he is currently employed as an Advisor to the Labour Party.

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What's the Labour party got to do with it? They seem about as useless as the Tories so far as Brexit is concerned! No, I look at Kerslake as an ex chief of the Civil Service and therefore someone who knows what he's talking about.

Just how many experts need to speak out about the insanity of Brexit before a single Brexiteer admits that the whole idea will lead us to ruin? Should I believe Kerslake, or the Johnson, Farage and Gove trio ? Two of the trio are journalists and one a flash ex-city trader who has the bare faced cheek and shameless arrogance to continue accepting a pension from the EU as an ex MEP.

Ignoring experts seems to be the trend these days. While the west coast of America burns, Trump tells us that it's nothing to do with global warming, but caused by environmentalists who aren't chopping enough trees down! That thousands of climate researches are of a mind seems irrelevant compared to the wisdom of The Donald. I know who I would believe.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

The Civil Service knowing what they are talking about - hmm
Same goes for politicians who all seem to come from the same PPE courses.

Have a read of this

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/...uent-chancers/

Here is an extract

" But for a successful civil servant, too, it’s crucial to stay on the move. Nowhere is that clearer than in the Department for Exiting the EU, where the National Audit Office found out that almost one in ten staff move on within three months —*a churn rate around four times the civil service average. Never mind being caught when the music stops. When it comes to Brexit, many of the civil servants will be far from the scene before it even starts."


or this little piece of info about our MPs

"one recent study suggests just 9 per cent of candidates at last year’s election had degrees in science or technology. This is true of only one of Labour’s 258 MPs: Chi Onwurah, an engineer."

We get what we vote for.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

For those who say now we know more about Brexit the UK would vote differently.

Have a read of this latest poll data done this week.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/704794...rexit-verdict/
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For those who say now we know more about Brexit the UK would vote differently.

Have a read of this latest poll data done this week.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/704794...rexit-verdict/
Hmmmmmm. Personally I've no idea how the majority would vote in a referendum on the best negotiated Brexit deal, but I do have to take some of these published polls with a pinch of salt.
I would say that regardless of the outcome of the published poll, or indeed the subject matter.

Firstly "Deltapoll interviewed an online sample of 1,904 adults aged 18+ from August 14 to 16. Results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults." (my emboldening)

How did they select the audience from which to conduct the poll?
Is it possible that there is an inherent bias based on audience selection?

Also a poll sponsored by The Sun, is always going to make me sceptical.
Who owns The Sun, and might they have a touch of bias, or a political agenda, themselves ?
I would ask the same question, regardless of who commissioned any poll.
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For those who say now we know more about Brexit the UK would vote differently.

Have a read of this latest poll data done this week.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/704794...rexit-verdict/
Yes, let's start having polls to find out how we would vote in a second referendum - far better than having an actual referendum!
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Hmmmmmm. Personally I've no idea how the majority would vote in a referendum on the best negotiated Brexit deal, but I do have to take some of these published polls with a pinch of salt.
I would say that regardless of the outcome of the published poll, or indeed the subject matter.

Firstly "Deltapoll interviewed an online sample of 1,904 adults aged 18+ from August 14 to 16. Results have been weighted to the profile of all GB adults." (my emboldening)

How did they select the audience from which to conduct the poll?
Is it possible that there is an inherent bias based on audience selection?

Also a poll sponsored by The Sun, is always going to make me sceptical.
Who owns The Sun, and might they have a touch of bias, or a political agenda, themselves ?
I would ask the same question, regardless of who commissioned any poll.

I agree with your comments, but remainers quote other polls to back their arguments, which can also be biased. So posted this for balance.

The only vote that mattered was the original one.
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Ah yes, 'The Spectator' owned by the Barclay Brothers, who also own 'The Telegraph' - and also are loyal Brits. who live abroad!

I only read the above "for laughs"!

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I really hope some sanity can prevail before Armageddon hits us.
We should have a poll: who is for and who is against Armageddon.

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Also a poll sponsored by The Sun, is always going to make me sceptical.
An precisely what is wrong with a poll of ex-page 3 girls?

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Ah yes, 'The Spectator' owned by the Barclay Brothers, who also own 'The Telegraph' - and also are loyal Brits. who live abroad!

I only read the above "for laughs"!

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Expected your response. How many labour MPs have a degree or equivalent level qualification in a scientific subject then? The article names only one, are you saying thats not the case?

To be fair the Conservatives and the others are not much better.
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