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to edit, or not

With a charming scene like this; with modern power lines, TV aerials, heating ducts and so on - is it right to make it my vision of what the scene should be, by removing them? Or should the photograph be left original, modern warts and all?

I suppose it depends on the intent, a painter could probably leave out modern additions without anyone batting an eyelid, do different standards apply to us as photographers?

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Re: to edit, or not

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With a charming scene like this; with modern power lines, TV aerials, heating ducts and so on - is it right to make it my vision of what the scene should be, by removing them? Or should the photograph be left original, modern warts and all?

I suppose it depends on the intent, a painter could probably leave out modern additions without anyone batting an eyelid, do different standards apply to us as photographers?

I really like this shot and the way you've used the fence to lead into the scene, wish I'd thought of that composition.

Personally I think it is OK to remove the original paraphernalia. It's not as bad as trimming inches off a model's waist, potentially influencing young girls to develop eating disorders in an attempt to emulate the look.
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Re: to edit, or not

In the past I've gone to great lengths to remove pylons from an Elizabethan mansion. And I've left Sky dishes on Cotswold cottages. I think it's down to personal preferences and intended audience.

In this case I think I'd leave the modern artifacts in, as they're not over offensive.
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Re: to edit, or not

personally, I think far too many things are edited and removed.

For example, here the TV ariels add a lot of information, and help to date the picture.

The only reason I would see for removing them woudl be if you wanted to strick the viewer into thinking that the picture was taken a long time ago
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Re: to edit, or not

On a personal level I would remove said items,as I don't think they add anything to the image. However if you were intending selling on the image the client might want it otherwise - a potential dilema we all face when taking images of this nature. That's why i am an advocate of PS - but in extreme moderation only.
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Re: to edit, or not

As it's looking for perfection I might question the flat afternoon light, those houses could be shown to better advantage later or earlier in the day.

As to the question about removing things, well it's your call - if I was selling as stock I'd leave as is.

But the aeriels etc do not strike me as that anachronistic, I'd need quite a lot of convincing to make me believe that those houses were even a hundred years old, (though the 3'rd along 'might be' older)

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As it's looking for perfection I might question the flat afternoon light, those houses could be shown to better advantage later or earlier in the day.

As to the question about removing things, well it's your call - if I was selling as stock I'd leave as is.

But the aeriels etc do not strike me as that anachronistic, I'd need quite a lot of convincing to make me believe that those houses were even a hundred years old, (though the 3'rd along 'might be' older)

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Hi Nick,

The row of cottages on the left are all Grade II listed 18th Century. Just around the corner to the left, out of site, is a 16th Century cottage but the oldest house I have been able to find is situated about a hundred yards behind the position from which Paul took this picture, an early 13th Century Royal Manor House which was extended and modernised in the 16th and 17th centuries.

You are right about the lighting and you can blame me for planning the day - harsh summer sunlight just past midday rarely shows anything at it best, although these days a certain amount of improvement can be made via shadows control in pp. However, I think the aspect of improvement in which Paul is specifically interested is with regard to whether or not to remove the aeriels, an interesting dilemma.
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Re: to edit, or not

With or without the aerials it's still a good shot.
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Re: to edit, or not

I agree, its just a great shot. I would probably lose the aerials
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Re: to edit, or not

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I suppose it depends on the intent, a painter could probably leave out modern additions without anyone batting an eyelid, do different standards apply to us as photographers?
I wonder if the "double standard" comes from where the work is? A painter would have to do work to include the modern features, a photographer to remove them.

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I wonder if the "double standard" comes from where the work is? A painter would have to do work to include the modern features, a photographer to remove them.

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I've noticed that painters often include unsightly modern features, presumably to give their work a feel of realism.
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Re: to edit, or not

Where abouts is it?

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Re: to edit, or not

I reckon it depends what you want to do with it. For a fairly straight presentation as you have shown here, I think it is "cheating" to remove modern paraphernalia. If it's transient stuff like a dog or a car in the wrong place then editing is fair enough, but not for fixtures like aerials. On the other hand if you are going to stylise it, say to give it an old-fashioned look, then any manipulation is fair game.

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Re: to edit, or not

If this was a Record shot - I would leave as is.

If I was making it sepia and old - I would take out the modern elements

If I was making it a colour wash pastel chalks "painting" I would take out the modern elements
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