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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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It's actually quite a bit cheaper than the Huawei!

Its £549 available 18th March in the UK.

https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb


I agree about the image flexibility.
Interesting - that does make me worry about the phone spec.!

The demo units at the MWC event in Barcelona just a few days ago were a bit flakey by all accounts.

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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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Let’s see how good it is at getting a critically sharp image of a barn owl traversing a cornfield an hour before sunset, 50 metres away....
It only has to capture a trout-pout and caterpillar eyebrows in the dark,
so no worries there.
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Interesting - that does make me worry about the phone spec.!

The demo units at the MWC event in Barcelona just a few days ago were a bit flakey by all accounts.

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As I said earlier its aimed at photographic types, not game players.

Reading some of the reviews by those at Barcelona all they seem to care about are gimmicks from my point of view.
  • - is the edge of the screen curved?
  • - what shape is the hole in the screen for the selfie camera?
  • - how small is the bezel?
  • - does it have an ultrasonic fingerprint reader or facial recognition?
  • - does it use the latest Qualcomm chip to enable it to play the latest games?
  • - does it record 4K movies?

I just want a phone that can also take decent pictures. No gimmicks and for a sensible price. The latest high-end phones are £800 up to £1399 for the top end Samsung.

I will still always use my Oly for taking the more specialised shots.

I think the Nokia 9 kind of caught them by surprise.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

Nobody's so far questioned whether a lens (or cluster of lenses), little larger than a lentil (etymologically the same root!), can deliver the same performance as a quality lens on a 'proper' camera. Also, we seem to be back in a 'megapixel race' again, just when I thought that we'd all decided that 16-20 megapixels is sufficient.

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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

The 'new' Nokias have always been good value. No idea if they are any good, but they mostly have mid-range specs. This sounds interesting, but the fixed focal length and huge files are probably not for me. The Huawei P30 Pro is starting to leak out, and could well be stunning. At a price though, and I have a nasty feeling it will have a curved screen, which I hate. I may end up getting a P20 Pro once it drops.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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I just want a phone that can also take decent pictures.
I think the Nokia 9 kind of caught them by surprise.
The average punter just needs a good phone camera to capture their kids, holidays, and maybe odd goings on.

They are not interested in spending hours sitting in a wet wood waiting for an owl, or most other things. We are also average punters when on holidays etc, but I think I am safe in saying we think a developed camera system suits us better for those zoom photos, or dark fungus shots, never mind macro etc.

But be warned, camera development is doing 100mph, we might be surprised at what it comes up with in the next few aeons (w,m.y??)

Keep an open mind...…………...
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Nobody's so far questioned whether a lens (or cluster of lenses), little larger than a lentil (etymologically the same root!), can deliver the same performance as a quality lens on a 'proper' camera. Also, we seem to be back in a 'megapixel race' again, just when I thought that we'd all decided that 16-20 megapixels is sufficient.

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Technology moves forward sometimes Please look at the samples on the link I posted, and comment on the actual images, not your own predetermined personal opinion. If you think they are inferior then fine, please choose one image and tell me what is of a lower standard compared to one taken with any Oly camera using any Oly lens. - Just asking

Oh, and FYI they are ALL 12MP images.
All the cameras on the Nokia are 12MP. Nokia has not followed the megapixel race with this camera/phone.

Guess I am not selling the benefits
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As I said earlier its aimed at photographic types, not game players.

Reading some of the reviews by those at Barcelona all they seem to care about are gimmicks from my point of view.
  • - is the edge of the screen curved?
  • - what shape is the hole in the screen for the selfie camera?
  • - how small is the bezel?
  • - does it have an ultrasonic fingerprint reader or facial recognition?
  • - does it use the latest Qualcomm chip to enable it to play the latest games?
  • - does it record 4K movies?

I just want a phone that can also take decent pictures. No gimmicks and for a sensible price. The latest high-end phones are £800 up to £1399 for the top end Samsung.

I will still always use my Oly for taking the more specialised shots.

I think the Nokia 9 kind of caught them by surprise.
The prices quoted at launch are set to be discounted. You can get a Mate 20 Pro for about £200 less than the £850 launch price, siometimes even less.

Huawei's Honor sub-brand View 20 is under £500 - it's a single camera model but pretty good and offers RAW files.

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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

There will always be a place for "proper" cameras with "proper" photographers in pursuit of challenging subjects, but the market will undoubtedly shrink as casual snappers realise that the latest phones feature all the camera they are ever likely to need. The gap is likely to shrink still further as phones continue to attract high R&D but cameras less so, as sales fall. We may have to accept that further development of large sensor, interchangeable lens cameras will become stagnant, with upgrades happening far less frequently than they do now.
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There will always be a place for "proper" cameras with "proper" photographers in pursuit of challenging subjects, but the market will undoubtedly shrink as casual snappers realise that the latest phones feature all the camera they are ever likely to need. The gap is likely to shrink still further as phones continue to attract high R&D but cameras less so, as sales fall. We may have to accept that further development of large sensor, interchangeable lens cameras will become stagnant, with upgrades happening far less frequently than they do now.
Smartphones are now getting really good at wide angle - even ultra wide angle in some cases (the Mate 20 Pro has a 8mm (4/3 equiv) camera and the new Samsung S10s have a 6mm super ultra wide camera (123 degree fov), and short tele - especially for portraits.

They work best with subjects that are static - so still life, portraits, landscapes, etc.

I went to Le Mans last year as a guest of Huawei to see if the P20 Pro could be a decent motorsport camera. I did get some keepers on the track but the lack of a decent power of telephoto plus problems with panning (no global shutter so vertical leaning problems) weren't ideal. The phone was great for shots in and around the pits and paddock though.

You can't really do decent macro on a phone and you won't be using a phone for much bird in flight or other action tele work.

You can steplessly zoom to a degree but resolution can be compromised.

But yes, for the majority of every day use, a smartphone as a camera is going to satisfy a lot of people.

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For everyday use it satisfies me. Here are a couple from a short walk today.



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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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But what about the all important optics?

Before the image hits the 30Mp sensor it has to go through some glass. I can't see how you can get the same optical quality from a tiny lens as you can from (say) a DSLR lens. I'd rather have 16 quality megapixels than 30 indifferent ones.

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I am not convinced either. The lenses on 'proper' cameras, even budget lenses, are much more complex than those in camera phones, with multiple elements and so forth. I daresay electronic correction is applied to overcome any aberrations.

But even if the lenses are as good when the phone is new, the front element will be treated with much less care and respect than the same element on a proper camera, so it is only a matter of time before output deteriorates.
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