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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Last one for me Ralph but I'd still crop that down to a landscape orientation.
How about this?
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

It still hasn't got Reeces! I remember in the latye 40s going there with my mum and her sister and being treated to an ice cream etc.Where has the front gone! I remeber seeing a famous photo taken there in the early 60s showing kids on the beach etc.
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

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Hi again!

Here is another photo taken at the same time (well maybe 5 minutes earlier) with hopefully better focus and taken in portrait.


Thanks for looking and commenting,

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That's a lot better image Ralph, IMHO, whether cropped to landscape or not. How about a compromise - square?
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Hi there Keith!

I might well give a square crop a try, it's not a shape I try too often in case I start to make instagrams!

What is still puzzling me is the OOF sea in the first picture though - I've put the figures into DOFmaster, and it reckons that if I've focussed on the wind turbines 4k away in the bay, it should give acceptable focus down to 67m, which is approximately the distance to the people in the picture (who were slightly OOF when you zoom right in). However, given that the sea is between these points, and the shutter speed is more than fast enough to exclude motion blur even without the IS (and it was on), what can have caused the blurring in the sea? If anyone has any thoughts I would love to hear them!

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Re: New Brighton Sunset

What shutter speed did you use, and did you use a tripod (you can see my train of thought regarding image stabilisation)?
What f number was it taken at? (I can't see EXIF for either shot) and did you trust AF, or choose good old school MF?
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

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Hi there Keith!

I might well give a square crop a try, it's not a shape I try too often in case I start to make instagrams!

What is still puzzling me is the OOF sea in the first picture though - I've put the figures into DOFmaster, and it reckons that if I've focussed on the wind turbines 4k away in the bay, it should give acceptable focus down to 67m, which is approximately the distance to the people in the picture (who were slightly OOF when you zoom right in). However, given that the sea is between these points, and the shutter speed is more than fast enough to exclude motion blur even without the IS (and it was on), what can have caused the blurring in the sea? If anyone has any thoughts I would love to hear them!

Cheers,

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I wonder if you've actually focused on infinity (i.e. the horizon) rather than where you think you focused? I don't trust contrast AF to do the job properly; it's fooled me before now! Did you set the square to the small size, for instance? I've found that if you don't, the camera often finds something other than what you want to focus on - yet looks as if it did what you wanted.

My Lumix TZ6 is a swine for doing that! But I've had it with the M5 too.

Another possibility is that the waves were rippling or moving faster than you realised.
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Hi there Steve / Keith!

Working from memory, the f-stop was f7.1, the shutter speed was something in the region of 1/1250th IS was on hand held. I think that in this case I used small AF point on one of the wind turbines before recomposing and waiting for the people to take the last few steps into alignment. However, I had considered the possibilty of the focus actually being at infinity, however that would have made the closest point of "acceptable focus" only a meter or two further away (4000m and infinity look pretty similar to a 17mm x 13mm sensor!)

I'm just really stumped as to why the sea looks out of focus when elements in front and behind look sharper. I was wondering if it is micro-reflections between the front of the lens and the back of the grad filter (they are pretty cheap grad filters of the flat plate variety) causing it to look out of focus - with shooting directly into the sun might this have the effect of spreading out the high-lights slightly?

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Hi there Steve / Keith!

Working from memory, the f-stop was f7.1, the shutter speed was something in the region of 1/1250th IS was on hand held. I think that in this case I used small AF point on one of the wind turbines before recomposing and waiting for the people to take the last few steps into alignment. However, I had considered the possibilty of the focus actually being at infinity, however that would have made the closest point of "acceptable focus" only a meter or two further away (4000m and infinity look pretty similar to a 17mm x 13mm sensor!)

I'm just really stumped as to why the sea looks out of focus when elements in front and behind look sharper. I was wondering if it is micro-reflections between the front of the lens and the back of the grad filter (they are pretty cheap grad filters of the flat plate variety) causing it to look out of focus - with shooting directly into the sun might this have the effect of spreading out the high-lights slightly?

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Could be - also could be diffraction. A cheap grad filter may not be good from that point of view. Colour could come into that equation too! (i.e. of the light v the filter)

Another point - a cheap grad filter may be slightly granular perspex.
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Hi there Keith!

Thanks for your reply. I'm still left wondering though why it occurred so badly on the first image, whilst the second didn't seem anywhere near as badly affected, as both were shot with the same filter fitted within a minute or two of each other. On the second I wasn't pointed directly at the sun though, so the flare I removed was too the left of the image.

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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Your original posting works just fine for me, Ralph. The centred composition is pleasing and conveys the idea of two sources of renewable energy, Solar and Wind.
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Hi there Mark!

Thanks for your comments. That was pretty much what I was hoping when I took the shot, but I found that I didn't really like the composition afterwards - something I couldn't put my finger on just jarred slightly. I'm glad you liked it though!

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Hi there Keith!

Thanks for your reply. I'm still left wondering though why it occurred so badly on the first image, whilst the second didn't seem anywhere near as badly affected, as both were shot with the same filter fitted within a minute or two of each other. On the second I wasn't pointed directly at the sun though, so the flare I removed was too the left of the image.

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I was trying to explain it to myself after I answered your last post. If your filter is coated (and cheap ones are coated rather than dyed) there could have been internal reflection within the coating at some wavelengths of light. Given the colour of the light, that MIGHT explain it - especially with the sun's presence in the frame. Other than that, I can't explain it.
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I was trying to explain it to myself after I answered your last post. If your filter is coated (and cheap ones are coated rather than dyed) there could have been internal reflection within the coating at some wavelengths of light. Given the colour of the light, that MIGHT explain it - especially with the sun's presence in the frame. Other than that, I can't explain it.
Hi there Keith!

That makes a lot of sense as it is only the brighter parts of the photo affected, with some bleeding around the highlights and the sun. Thanks for posting!

Cheers,

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Re: New Brighton Sunset

The second shot is better as the first does not seem to be in focus.
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Re: New Brighton Sunset

Thanks Alf! The question is whether you think the whole of the image is oof in the first one, or just the sea? The consensus so far is it's just the sea, which has been confusing us considerably!

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