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Keith - it's hard to discuss this sort of topic without it becoming political. Issues like this are deeply political, it's the nature of the beast.
As for my own thoughts - I agree with John (Zuiko) to a large extent. We don't have the police numbers we used to have. OTOH - some of it is probably down to priority and motivation; in other words the police leadership. I'm sure appropriate numbers could be found if it was seen as a priority. |
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![]() In this area, there are literally thousands and thousands of houses being built now. Some towns are doubling or near doubling in size; yet there is no proportional increase in infrastructure, or services - including the police and ambulanceand the fire service. Indeed, if anything, all have been cut, and more cuts are in the pipeline. All that is happening is that problems are ignored, and will worsen over time. That isn't being political, it's simple common sense. I contribute to a political magazine and also help the editor with it. Believe you me, I get enough exposure to all that it implies doing that, without adding to it here! ![]() We can of course debate the political aspects, but that merely leads to people getting antagonistic and these days, often very bad tempered rants and ill feeling. I would hope that we don't want to go down that road! ![]() |
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CUTS, or is it just easier for the 'Authorities' to blame some other condition??? |
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The police only do the easy stuff now - driving around with number plate recognition apparatus, catching motorists. But sometimes they have to go through with the inconvenience of getting out of their cars to man a radar trap.
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I was watching one of the endless "Police Interceptors" programs on the electric fishtank a few nights ago. In one incident, our heros picked up a transit van being driven dangerously and chased it for many miles at ridiculous mph. Eventually it turned down a cul-de-sac and screeched to a halt. The two occupants legged it, the passenger over a field and the driver into an adjacent travellers' camp. The passenger was caught but absolutely no attempt was made to find the driver. At the end of the program, the narrator stated no charges were brought.
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Perhaps you and I live too much in the past Jim.
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That mentality is endemic in this country, and has been for a very long time. On the outbreak of war in 1914, Churchill, our esteemed First Lord of the Admiralty refused to purchase shore guns for Scapa Flow, at a cost of £5000, despite spending millions on Dreadnoughts. What happened? A U-boat sailed in unmolested, sailed around for an hour or two, and left. Fortunately the fleet was at sea. The guns mysteriously appeared. Fast forward to 1939. Same again - lack of shore defences. What happened? A U-boat sailed in, had its pick of targets, and sank the Royal Oak, with the loss of 800-odd lives. The defences mysteriously materialized. Same with police, fire brigade, ambulances, you name it. We can always do everything with nothing - until the worst happens. Then we firefight our way out of trouble until it's all forgotten again. You can always "save" money, but so often you end up spending many times as much in the longer run. And we are doing this with exceptional aplomb at the moment. |
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![]() The same thing is now happening in the public sector, and is clearly just as unpopular there as in the private sector. The only difference is that we hear much more about it from the public sector, and of course public servants are better placed to make their displeasure felt by those who pay their salaries. Quote:
One of the reasons for the present housing shortage is not so much immigration and population growth as the number of single-parent and separated families; thus requiring separate dwellings for the parents (and off spring) concerned. Indeed, there is a newish development near us known locally as 'Divorcee Corner' which is inhabited almost entirely by divorced and separated parents and (on occasions) their visiting offspring. And of course with access arrangements to children each house must be large enough to accommodate all possible permutations of parents, 'partners' and offspring. ![]() However, reverting to the original subject and questions, I would agree with others that safety must always be the number one priority, especially in a situation where it seems that the authorities are unwilling to intervene owing to misplaced concerns about political correctness. Personally I would want to be as far away from these people as possible, perhaps taking safe refuge inside a Waitrose store or Waterstones; but if caught unaware I would probably try to sneak a few shots, or some video if I thought it was safe to do so. One would expect to become a target if seen using a camera, although I suspect many 'travellers' would actually revel in the idea that their thuggish behaviour was being uploaded to Snapchat, Instagram Facebook or whatever, safe in the knowledge that political correctness gone mad means that they are very unlikely to face any kind of justice. As for handing over photographs and video, I am sure this can be done in such a way that the 'witness' is not identified, and is not put at any personal risk. However, I would urge caution if relying on insurance to cover the cost of damaged or stolen equipment. When travellers wrecked cars and damaged property in our village (see post #3), insurers were very reluctant to pay out as they maintained that the loss was caused by 'civil unrest' and 'riot'; the risks of which are specifically excluded from most insurance policies along with war, acts of God, usurped power and kindred risks. Equally, the police were very careful NOT to use any of these terms in their crime reports, as the government of the day would then be responsible in law; although I am doubtful that they would cough up unless pressed very hard. Certain politicians should bear this in mind when trying to stir up civil unrest for political purposes. With regard to police numbers; the event I refer to occurred around 2006, under a previous government, at a time when out local MP was also the PM, and long before it was fashionable to talk about food banks or 'government cuts', even though both existed. Durham Constabulary was able to fund a whole battalion of police to protect Myrobella House without any additional government grant, so there were literally dozens of coppers just three miles away. Interestingly, Trimdon Grange, Trimdon Colliery and Trimdon Village were reckoned to be about the safest places in the country to live at the time owing to the strong police presence there. Of course that all changed after 2007, but it had nothing to do with government cuts.
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You can show them how to save pounds by spending pennies, but they are far more interested in saving the pennies. Anyhow, the pounds come out of a different budget, so the money can always be found when it is really needed. Some years ago I visited a Naval dockyard in Scotland. I won't say which one, but it is near to a railway bridge ("The Bridge") well known to photographers. Anyhow, I was fascinated to see a good number of traditional wooden naval launches scattered amongst the minesweepers and destroyers in the sheds there; all being rebuilt in best quality teak and mahogany with new brass and bronze fittings, literally from the last copper nail upwards! I was pleased to see that this old boatbuilding tradition was still being kept alive, but I was also surprised that it wasn't cheaper and most effective to build new craft in GRP. It was explained to me that admiralty launches were very much a status symbol amongst the admirals; rather like company cars, so they were keen to preserve as many of them as possible, and at any cost, whether they were needed or not. However, capital expenditure vouchers for new vessels are very strictly controlled, making it virtually impossible to commission new craft of any size, whereas refit and maintenance budgets are unlimited. ![]()
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![]() However, there is always money for reorganisation in both the public and private sectors. ![]() "We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
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I think you Trumped there, Nigel. There is no evidence that Petronius wrote that quote.
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Contrary to my children's claims I was not around in 66 AD so I am unable to say for sure, but the point made in the quote remains perfectly valid.
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The quote is used in any organisation of greater than one person. Often quoted by the junior person in the team.
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I think you've hit the nail again, Nigel. Calling reinforcements (which would almost certainly be needed) to raid a "travellers" camp is probably perceived as not the best use of resources by the police, who would no doubt be accused of prejudice and harassment in any case.
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