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OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

Hi all,

Bit of a long post so apologies beforehand.

I would like to start filming and marketing my Guitar Instruction videos online. Itís a black hole I know but..

I have an AKG mic
iMac Mid 2007 running 10.10.5
Logic Pro X
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Olympus Om-D EM-5

Aside from my day job I am a session musician, prior to this I was a resident session guitar player but the industry has changed a lot. Iím up on tech stuff but am well out of my depth here...

What I need to know is; My new purchase the Olympus OM-D EM-5 (which I purchased for photography and not videos), could that also be up to delivering decent quality images like what I am seeing in the higher end videos on youtube? Most bloggers seem to be using 2-3 Canons or similar for multiple stuff, sometimes with extra monitors. Okay, I know some guys are shelling out ridiculous amounts but with the above equipment, do you think I would be able to produce semi-pro vids?

What would you recommend?

Also I canít find a video editing software ( preferably Final Cut) that is compatible with 10.10.5..I need the most help in this area, as well as selecting lighting or advice on what types of lights would be good for fairly dark shooting, it would not be shot in daylight and all guitars would be direct so I wonít disturb anyone! Curtains would be drawn and Iíd have a few lamps for ambient, so was thinking of purchasing a few box lights?

So using Final cut, amp simulators, mics and the Olympus OM-D EM-5 for filming with some inexpensive lighting do you think I could pull off decent videos?

Is anyone doing similar?? Do we have any members that are also active online and maybe using similar to film?

I have absolutely no idea about lighting, I have used Final Cut before and it was really good but that was on a MacBook Pro, and for this old iMac which is all we can afford at the moment, I wouldnít know where to start.

Any advice, tips, links very much appreciated Cheers.
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

I'm really not into video so TBH my opinion may not count for much... but:

- The E-M5 doesn't have a flip screen. Doesn't that make it difficult for blogging?

- The general consensus seems to be that earlier Oly models don't make good video cameras.

- You can probably pick up an old Panasonic camera that does better video for not a lot of money.
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

Hi there,yes I did think this..Some guys seem to have monitors plugged in?
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

If you have hopes of becoming the next rising You Tube "Video Star", perhaps a dedicated video camera would be the obvious solution.

Just as a matter of interest, did you ever manage to get the following problem resolved ? :

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I have a question, whilst learning about P mode, I'm trying shooting in it but for some odd reason, when shooting in this mode and normally outdoors it seems to focus on the floor?? This doesn't occur in any other mode but I've noticed sometimes a few of my shots in P mode are of the floor, which is weird as I use the view finder..


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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

As a lot of people put iPhone videos up on YouTube, I can't see this as anything but an improvement... A little work to get the image recorded due to the lack of flip screen, but tether it to a computer and away you go!

I've used the tether function a few times for providing a photo booth at weddings I've been to, and it works very well.
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

I used my em5 just as a second camera to give cutaways and alternative fill shots when shooting videos as a freelance video production company for the NHS a few years ago. I was using a Sony video camera (and others depending on who was operating on the shoot) as the main camera but the em5 was a fine performer as a secondary camera usually unmanned on a tripod. It also was a lifesaver a few times when the lighting was low or where I needed to cut away when something wasn't right with the main shot. But matching colour and sharpness between digital and tape was extra work. Two similar cameras would have made sense...!

It is really important to have more than one camera. Without cutaways and alternative shots (look up B-roll on video sites) your edits are limited to the ugly jump cuts which are the stuff of YouTube bloggers. Try to look at the way that TV interviews and film work is put together. So a filmed story rather than shooting a talking head to camera. As cut aways for your videos you might look at close ups of the guitar and reaction shots of peoples faces or the music...etc

Also, the challenges of sound, cameraman and directing are substantial. If you intend to be all at the same time...plus perform, then good luck.. A friend is needed.

A few thoughts. I suggest you record audio to a high quality external recorder (or laptop) rather than relying on the camera...as sound is vital for your needs. I was using a Rode lavalier mike into a Marantz digital recorder as it enables a much better sound for interviews. You would need to consider what sort of microphone set-up will work. As well as an external also record the sound on the camera and swap it to the better sound when you import it. Replace the sound in its entirety before you do any cuts and edits as trying to synch the sound will be easier that way.

Lights make a huge difference. I started with red-head lights on stands (600W or 800W...they get hot...) and then moved to daylight lights on stands. Not as powerful but cool and kind lighting. You really would benefit from proper lighting (and backgrounds). It is worth seeing the difference.

There are many video editing programmes. I have used a few. iMovie which is on the Mac is basic, but it works and allows some quite good looking work (avoid all of the gimmicks and stylesheets). Premiere Pro and Final Cut are in contrast a lot more complex and need to be studied and worked at. Get a book from the library.

At a very early stage you need to develop a style for the projects both in the filming approach and style of delivery and edits plus whatever makes yours stand out from the rest. Hopefully you will be able to improve on the standards or the majority. But spend some time learning the basics, and always use a heavy tripod (and a smooth panning action)

Good luck
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

Just to help a bit more, I hope. This was a simple video using the em5 for a few of the B-roll shots and with the interview shot with a fixed camera position onto tape. It was a very busy working office so it couldn't be too fancy. Also being an NHS building the decor was worn. So I selected angles and backgrounds which enabled us to hide some of the piles of clutter, broken venetian blinds, and anything which identified patient data. Also everyone shot signed a model release. I had three people in the room who had asked to not be in shot (which was respected).

As background, this was early in the the journey of shooting videos so I was using a Sony prosumer video recorder (about £800) and working with a friend who had a career in broadcasting (mostly in front of the camera). We had a budget for half a day filming, 3 days editing and finalising. My role was everything apart from monitoring sound and operating and checking the video camera. So in this case I called the shots, directed any actions and prepared and ran the interview. My voice is edited out and a storyline is produced by captions and my creative edit. I had a quick phone call in advance to the doctor to find out about his role and the rest is down to seeing the video in your minds eye before you shoot it.

The aim of the video is explaining what the role is to doctors in training and medical students. So on this one it was about creating a feel for a busy, active role within a noisy team working in a fairly challenging specialism.

I shot lots all with different specialties and very different locations. So equipment list grew...

Have a look at the video. It shows how you can use extra shots to create mood which allows the interview to be simple and easy to shoot. If I had used anything other than a lavalier mike the doctor would have been completely drowned out by the noise of the room...

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/exp...age-psychiatry

I used to send a blooper DVD to the doctor as a personal thank you. It was part of the fun. You'd be surprised at how many there will be.

Interviews were shot at least three times. I would work hard to get them to give me something which could be edited to make them look perfect and not nervous. I respected their skill and reputation and the fact that they were all volunteers. If you are not used to being filmed then nerves make you stiff and forget how to talk! I suggest, if you look at YouTube you will see far too many jump edits where they have to cut out umms and drys. I would reshoot far more than they seem to do. Looking professional is about much more than equipment.

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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

That’s awesome Peter, wow. I was just about to message on this thread again as Ivebeen watching numerous VLOG folk on youtube and most are saying that a DSLR is going to be way better than a Camcorder, so I was thinking of purchasing something like a Canon Vixia or similar but I may try my luck with the EM5.

I have good mics, final Cut,Logic Pro ( I am a session musician but only part time these days) so I have some pretty good gear, it’s not great but if I can create a friendly atmosphere, of decent watchable content that people want to see again and hopefully share, then I will be more than happy.

Really appreciate your replies guys, I love this forum!
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

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most are saying that a DSLR is going to be way better than a Camcorder, so I was thinking of purchasing something like a Canon Vixia or similar
I thought a Canon Vixia WAS a camcorder.


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Hi Darkroom, sorry what I meant was I was thinking of buying a Vixia camcorder but most VLOGs state that a DSLR will be better in many respects. I think the best thing is just to set the tripod up and see what I can achieve, I think the results should be fine for what I am after.
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Hi Darkroom, sorry what I meant was I was thinking of buying a Vixia camcorder but most VLOGs state that a DSLR will be better in many respects. I think the best thing is just to set the tripod up and see what I can achieve, I think the results should be fine for what I am after.
Lets hope so. Maybe you could post some of the results on here before posting on Youtube so you can obtain an impartial opinion from the many experienced members.

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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

I had an E-M5 and a GH2 a few years ago and in my opinion for video you will be much better off with an old Panasonic GH2. At the time of release the GH2 was cutting edge in terms of video capabilities, whereas video was certainly not the focus of the E-M5.
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Re: OM-D EM-5 Up to scratch for youtubing?

Iíd get a Panasonic g6. Itís moee modern than a gh2,has god mic inputs and a flip screen.

If also highly recommend davinci resolve if your Mac is up to it - the free version is superb and - free! Final Cut Pro x is also awesome but iMovie can work for simple editing.
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