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Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

Useful practical and thoughtful advice in this article on coping with electronics bans on aircraft: the latest issue of the reCOMPOSE podcast with Juan Pons also covers this in some more detail.

https://muenchworkshops.com/blog/the...lectronics-ban

This issue isn't going away, and is likely to change and become more widespread, possibly at very short notice and while we are actually abroad...

So, planning for that is sensible, and good luck to everyone with keeping up with the (currently confusing and regularly contradictory) sets of advice from airlines, airports, governments, TSA etc etc! I'm sure the document I've linked to will be updated when things change.

For example, last weekend Simon Calder gave someone advice in an article in the Indie that NO separate lithium batteries were now permissible in hand or hold baggage on flights to the UK from Egypt.
Well, I searched the relevant .gov sites and BA, and as of Sunday they all give (slightly differing) versions of "below around 100 watt-hours capacity and below a certain physical size you can carry spare lithiums in hand luggage (only) on any flights as long as the terminals are protected with tape or by casing the batteries in a case or wrap". Camera batteries are way smaller than 100Wh.

So, if the travel correspondent of a national newspaper apparently gets it wrong (or else the official websites are all wrong), what chance have the rest of us got!

I would just add that having cameras with in-body battery charging does help if lithiums are banned or restricted (i.e. Fuji, Panasonic and Sony): I hope Olympus are listening...
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

It's a sad world we live in nowadays Mark. People used to say that the 70s was a bad decade, but looking back to my teenage years it seems like a golden era.

I'm glad that religion is such a declining factor in our society - its death can't come quickly enough for my liking.
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It's a sad world we live in nowadays Mark. People used to say that the 70s was a bad decade, but looking back to my teenage years it seems like a golden era.

I'm glad that religion is such a declining factor in our society - its death can't come quickly enough for my liking.
Yes, I'm with you on that. Unfortunately the decline isn't paralleled in all societies.

It is however worth reflecting (if I'm remembering the details correctly) that around 3x as many people were killed in Western Europe from terrorism in the 1970s than in the past decade. I well remember my windows in Bloomsbury being rattled by IRA bombs in the 70s. Bader-Meinhof, anyone?

So, no FB and Twitter then, and people have short memories, so it's worth bearing that in mind before we allow May to withdraw all our hard-fought civil liberties and institute her control freak police state.

It may take her a while to do that, since she reduced police numbers so much in recent years, of course...
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

Back to the OP for a minute, would anyone in their right mind check-in expensive camera gear to the hold; easy pickings.
Perhaps it's timely that I've purchased a film camera, purely mechanical apart from two SR44 cells that I could easily discard if security became shirty. Better still if I leave it unloaded so I can open the back to prove its not a bomb.
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Back to the OP for a minute, would anyone in their right mind check-in expensive camera gear to the hold; easy pickings.
Perhaps it's timely that I've purchased a film camera, purely mechanical apart from two SR44 cells that I could easily discard if security became shirty. Better still if I leave it unloaded so I can open the back to prove its not a bomb.
I suspect they'd refuse to carry it anyway, except in the hold, Steve. Sophisticated photo nerds they are not. You could try it, but I'd strongly recommend having a fall-back strategy should it get refused either at security or at the gate.

Basically, the attitude being taken at the moment is "no likey, no flyey". Hence the advice in the article: insure (check your specific policy) plus Pelican case (or similar). The podcast's worth listening to as well.

It's likely that insurers will provide specific policies to cover this, but I don't think they're doing so just yet, and they are unlikely to be cheap. Always worth specifically checking with your household insurer, by the way, who are likely to be the cheapest if they do offer that sort of cover.

While BA were doing damn-all and your kit took its chances in the hold, Qatar Airways instituted a very impressive system for collecting, logging, screening, wrapping and transporting laptops and electronic gear a few weeks ago: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...-a7743576.html

However, since Trump and May prefer Saudi-sponsored terrorism (i.e. Wahhabism = El Qaeda and ISIL) to the Iranian/Qatari variety (i.e. Shiites), Qatar is now ostracized, and I assume their airline is now grounded. Oil production, plus buying 80% of the British arms industry's output, talks rather loudly at the moment.

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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

Let's assume you've checked you luggage in, as you do, then proceed through security to be told your camera can't accompany you inside the cabin. What sort of fall back position do you have in mind?

-> -> Leave the camera at home, buy postcards as a keepsake.
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

I think if such a catch-all electronics ban were to come into place more generally (e.g. between UK and US) then many will simply not bother to travel. I know for sure that I'd be a lot less inclined; and it's not just the photo gear. I have a reasonable quality laptop and it carries essential data for my work. Checking it into the hold is way too risky for my liking. I lost a heap of Pentax gear years ago courtesy of light-fingered baggage handlers. In fact it's worse today since you can no longer lock baggage (well, at least in the US - the NTSB will destroy your luggage if they can't look inside).
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

But business trips are not optional in a lot of cases. When I travelled on company business I limited myself to a memory stick (encrypted) and borrowed a laptop on arrival (prearranged, rather than leaving to pot luck on the day).
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

Yes, business travellers are the worst affected group: some of my internationally-travelling friends working for big companies are provided with laptops after landing around the world (especially Middle East, US and UK, obviously), but a borrowed laptop is always a half-baked solution. Small companies will need to rely on local IT service suppliers (probably worth buying shares!). No working on flights, of course.

Shipping photo equipment out is one option, but pricey. It might be worth it for the safari trip of a lifetime where you were connecting via the Middle East, for example.

To cope with rejection at security or the gate you'd need to have a secure carry-on bag (with TSA locks - i.e. some security, but not much), with your non-electronic cabin essentials in a soft bag inside that. So, if you get stopped you send the electronics through to the hold in the locked case, and carry on the soft bag with your pills, toiletries, paper book, phone, eyeshade, pillow, SD cards etc etc...

Great, eh!
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Great, eh!
Retirement is looking like an increasingly tempting scenario.
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

And kiss goodbye to your expensive kit!

Problem is there's no way of knowing until you turn up at the airport, pot luck as it were. I'd probably risk my GX7, but certainly not my Leica kit, or perhaps I should travel light with just my iPhone - which incidentally takes remarkable images and there's a range of clip on lenses offering more creativity.

And all of this because a certain group of individuals want to kill us.
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

Yes, I'm increasingly likely to fly with my little Fuji X70 for all sorts of reasons, especially on city trips. It's got in-body charging, for one thing, allowing top-ups during lunch and coffee breaks.

Interesting and unpredictable impact on photo workshops and safari photography companies, too.

These people will be OK because they supply DSLR and long lenses for everyone on the specialist boats: http://www.cnpsafaris.com/
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

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I think religion is the victim, not the culprit. If there were no religion then the scumbags would attach themselves to some other cause, such as a political grouping or a nationalist cause. The will to be destructive is deep in some people's psyche. (And most religions - despite what people might think due to gross caricaturing and misrepresentation) encourage peace, harmony, charity and love.
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Re: Advice on the "laptop ban" for photographers

The ban looks incredibly inconvenient for lots of people going to those countries, not just for photographers.

The security industry, avidly fuelling their own growth through fear after every atrocity, will increasingly put people off air travel.
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I think religion is the victim, not the culprit. If there were no religion then the scumbags would attach themselves to some other cause, such as a political grouping or a nationalist cause. The will to be destructive is deep in some people's psyche. (And most religions - despite what people might think due to gross caricaturing and misrepresentation) encourage peace, harmony, charity and love.
Well Rob - we could have a long debate about these subjects for sure. Maybe we can agree that religion is just another man made concept that suffers from all the same strengths and weaknesses of the very humans who created it (and to this day continuously reinterpret it).
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