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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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The Good Friday Agreement is unique to Ireland.
Simply because as it currently stands, it's an agreement between two E.U. members, which makes it relatively easy to implement. This will change if there's no deal, when the border becomes one between an E.U. member and an outside country, and the E.U. needs controls to prevent goods for example 'leaking' across the border without tariffs being applied.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Indeed it is. And Britain is on the verge of breaking that agreement.
I think that if there's no deal it will be the E.U's actions in implementing a border that will effectively result in breaking the Good Friday agreement. We will be under no obligation to have a customs border, but Ireland will have, under E.U. rules.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Simply because as it currently stands, it's an agreement between two E.U. members, which makes it relatively easy to implement. This will change if there's no deal, when the border becomes one between an E.U. member and an outside country, and the E.U. needs controls to prevent goods for example 'leaking' across the border without tariffs being applied.

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I'm aware of that.
The agreement is set in international law, signed principally by Ireland and the U.K. As far as I'm aware it does not make reference to the signatories being EU members.
As it stands there are different VAT rates between Ireland and the U.K., the difference is managed almost seamlessly by electronic means. This could be enlarged and managed without needing a physical check on the border.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Not bad for half a week's work...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46981440

Giz a job!
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Squaring the Brexit circle!
Let's get out before an EU edict requires all circles to be square.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Listening to John McDonnell on Vine at the moment.

So, he plans to renationalise all of our privatised industries, (water, gas, electricity, rail, Royal Mail, etc.) but doesn't plan to pay anything for them.

That way they will appear on the nation's balance sheet without costing the taxpayer anything.
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Listening to John McDonnell on Vine at the moment.

So, he plans to renationalise all of our privatised industries, (water, gas, electricity, rail, Royal Mail, etc.)
I'm with him on that, in principle, except that Royal Mail is a dud, having lost the monopoly to deliver.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Listening to John McDonnell on Vine at the moment.

So, he plans to renationalise all of our privatised industries, (water, gas, electricity, rail, Royal Mail, etc.) but doesn't plan to pay anything for them.

That way they will appear on the nation's balance sheet without costing the taxpayer anything.
Rings a bell - Venezuela springs to mind.
Why would anybody want to start a company under this bunch?
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Rings a bell - Venezuela springs to mind.
Why would anybody want to start a company under this bunch?
We worry about 'the uncertainty caused by Brexit' (or at least we are told to worry about it), yet the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour government would cripple the economy within a week. The reality would undoubtedly be much worse, although we are told that 'only the top 5% of earners would see a modest tax rise'.

We can only hope for drone sightings at major airports to prevent investors from fleeing the country.


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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

We were watching the Andrew Marr programme about postwar Britain (highly recommended).

The Attlee/Bevan Labour government promised wonderful things, not least the NHS. They manged to scrape that together but, overall, including rushing into the Korean (not a) war, they got the country's finances into dire straits and Keynes had to beg a 4bn loan (he asked for 8bn) off the USA and we had to come off the gold standard as a condition, wrecking the pound, and struggling to pay the interest.

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Edit: The mention of "Gold Standard" was a slip of the mind.

In the 1940s there were severe restrictions on the pound i.e. exchange control. Basically, you could take no more than 5 out of the country at a time. The load deal required that to b dropped withing a stated period (10 years?). When that happened, lots of s were used to buy $s and the value of the dropped, making everything expensive. The ongoing war in Malaya and the start of the one in Korea effectively trashed any benefit if the loan.

A couple of related links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchan...United_Kingdom

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1285708.stm

The Wilson Government imposed a 50 cash allowance for travel which remained in place in the 1960s and 1970s.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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We worry about 'the uncertainty caused by Brexit' (or at least we are told to worry about it), yet the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour government would cripple the economy within a week. The reality would undoubtedly be much worse, although we are told that 'only the top 5% of earners would see a modest tax rise'.

We can only hope for drone sightings at major airports to prevent investors from fleeing the country. How could anyone be nave enough to vote for them?
Where any politician is concerned, I've been asking that self same question for 40+ years.

I suppose we do so in the hope that one day, someone who says they are the saviour of mankind and can walk on water, will do so in order to prove whom they claim to be. Maybe that's where the phrase "It will only happen when Hell freezes over" oriiginated?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Quote from CityAM's Christian May on Politics Live today.


" It’s not good enough for MPs who voted to hold the referendum, agreed to implement the result, voted for Article 50, and then stood on manifestos pledging again to implement the result in full, to now start engaging in Parliamentary shenanigans with the effect of blocking Brexit indefinitely because they haven’t thought through the consequences of their actions. It’s increasingly apparent as time goes on that it wasn’t Leave voters but in fact smug Remainer politicians who didn’t understand what they were voting for…"


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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

It's also increasingly apparent - as I intimated in an earlier post - that none of us, whether Leaver or Remainer, will get what we originally thought we had voted for.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

FOSKID: Better late than never...

Just wait 'till they get a whiff of the cuisine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46974590
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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We worry about 'the uncertainty caused by Brexit' (or at least we are told to worry about it), yet the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour government would cripple the economy within a week. The reality would undoubtedly be much worse, although we are told that 'only the top 5% of earners would see a modest tax rise'.

We can only hope for drone sightings at major airports to prevent investors from fleeing the country.

How could anyone be nave enough to vote for them?
I could ask the question, "How could anyone be nave enough to vote for Brexit?" Yet 52% of those who voted did.....

Airbus are the latest big company to warn that they are likely to relocate in the event of the UK crashing out of the EU with no deal. That's about 150,000 jobs if you include the support industries. These businesses are extremely worried about Brexit, not Corbyn.
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