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New 35mm 'film' SLR

In this months issue of 'Black+White Photography' I came across .... "Film is back" . A kickstarter fund with an expected launch date of August this year ... the first new 'serious' manual film SLR camera in over 25 years. Having interchangeable lens mounts the same body will be able to use Nikon F, Canon FD, Olympus OM, Pentax K lenses. It will have a daylight interchangeable back for easy film loading.

Looks very nice IMO.

I might well be in, what about you Steve ( Ricoh ) ? Anyone else ?

Here's a couple of links:-

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...gue-slr-camera

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...ELPP8Afro7mAAg
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

Seems much more interesting than that stupid Yashica digital camera that uses filmesque canisters to change jpeg settings:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/278693...n-crowdfunding

That's raised over $1m ! And it's pointless.
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Seems much more interesting than that stupid Yashica digital camera that uses filmesque canisters to change jpeg settings:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/278693...n-crowdfunding

That's raised over $1m ! And it's pointless.
Infinitely so, a totally stupid and rubbish idea.
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Seems much more interesting than that stupid Yashica digital camera that uses filmesque canisters to change jpeg settings:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/278693...n-crowdfunding

That's raised over $1m ! And it's pointless.
Quite right Paul. The 'Reflex' would not replace my digital Pen-F, I have become very attached to it However I do believe that I could be very tempted to run the Reflex and Pen-F 'side by side.

The fact that you can use a wide range of lens mounts on one body and the IMO 'brilliant' interchangeable film back that is no wider/taller that the camera itself adds real 'value' and 'usage' to this camera, plus it's a rather good looking camera too!

Olympus OM 21mm F2.0 , Nikon F 58mm F1.2 Noct , Canon FD 85mm F1.2L ..... all mounting to just the one same body. 3 or 4 film backs, Tri-X in one, Extar in another, maybe Pan-F and Velvia in another two ... change backs mid roll, then change back again, no loss of frames just like many medium & large format kits. H'mmmm ...... I like that

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In this months issue of 'Black+White Photography' I came across .... "Film is back" . A kickstarter fund with an expected launch date of August this year ... the first new 'serious' manual film SLR camera in over 25 years. Having interchangeable lens mounts the same body will be able to use Nikon F, Canon FD, Olympus OM, Pentax K lenses. It will have a daylight interchangeable back for easy film loading.

Looks very nice IMO.

I might well be in, what about you Steve ( Ricoh ) ? Anyone else ?

Here's a couple of links:-

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...gue-slr-camera

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...ELPP8Afro7mAAg
Hi Simon, I've been following this for some time, it's a great innovation for film lovers and I hope it attracts more people back to using the medium. There's this misconception that film is inconvenient and expensive, but if you do the sums it's probably less expensive than digital. What's more, film could make you a better photographer. Not sure I'll be an early adopter, but a friend of mine put money into the Kickstarter, so I'll see it in the flesh before making a decision.
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Not sure I'll be an early adopter, but a friend of mine put money into the Kickstarter, so I'll see it in the flesh before making a decision.
Let me know what you think of it Steve.

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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

Why stop with a film back? If you really want to go retro, why not have a Daguerreotype back option, or any number of other obsolete technologies?



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Why stop with a film back? If you really want to go retro, why not have a Daguerreotype back option, or any number of other obsolete technologies?



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Ah but film isn't obsolete Jim, plenty still shoot it, in fact its usage is 'rapidly' growing just as vinyl is making a strong comeback. Neither will likely reach the same levels as in their heydays but it's impressive never the less. Remember, with the rate technology is advancing it may not be very long before 'digital' is knocked off of its perch by what I do not know, but I do know that it's only a matter of time, that's the natural order of progress. Will that make your digital obsolete? ... Not if it's still working and of relevance to you

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obsolete technologies?



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58 years old this summer ( the camera body, not me ) , built like nothing is today, serviced by Leica two years ago .... yes they still have parts and if they don't they can be manufactured with the exception of the rangefinder. So refined it is not possible to adequately describe, you have to handle an M3 to truly understand.

'Capture medium' still produced

Undeniable 'Cool Factor' if that's your thing

A true Icon and as relevant today as it has ever been.

I love my Pen-F but in all honesty I will be bloody amazed if it is still working in 57 years time or if I will be able to buy SD cards then

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The only things obsolete are attitudes and misconceptions about film. It's fully alive, and growing in popularity. Next time you're out, try to observe the number of young people using film cameras. I've asked a few on my travels and the simple answer given is that film renders differently to digital, plus the ability to change the sensor simply by loading a different film.
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Re: New 35mm 'film' SLR

Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
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Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
On the face of it, it does indeed seem 'too' cheap John, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be brought to market for that figure or close to it. 3D printing is mentioned in the article plus the use of several components that are already made by the many 3rd party suppliers to the main players in the digital market.

Also there is IMO no doubt that what 'we' pay for 'tech' in no way relates to its actual manufacturing cost. The bigger the company you are the greater revenue/return you need per item. Micro companies can run on much smaller margins/returns and 3D printing will ( actually 'is' ) helping to get projects off the ground that would have cost considerably more using traditional methods. Also many of these sort of projects are the brainchild of clever people with a passion for the idea and often put success in realising that passion over profit.

They say they will be at Photokina, so I guess we shall have to wait and see.

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Oh I do hope this comes true but it seems ridiculously cheap. I mean, £350 for a complete body including lens plate and interchangeable film back, really?
Plus extra backs and lens mount plates for £65 and £35 respectively - how can they possibly do that?
I commented earlier that the £135k they're trying to raise to complete development sounded way too low too. Low dev costs will inevitably mean higher per-copy costs. Nothing sounds right about this project aside from the desire to make a nice new film camera.

As other have said though - there are so many 35mm film cameras available on eBay etc I wonder where the market will be. You can pick up OM cameras from as little as £50 in good condition.
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Why stop with a film back? If you really want to go retro, why not have a Daguerreotype back option, or any number of other obsolete technologies?



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Daguerrotypes really aren't much use at small frame sizes. Unlike most photographic options they produce the final print directly on the sensor with no secondary printing and no enlarging possible. (They are also a real pain to copy via normal photography.)
Large format is pretty much required which can easily be adapted to take the plates (preparing the plates on the other hand is very involved).


There are still some photographers producing Daguerrotypes as they produce an image with characteristics not matched by any other process.


Adding a relatively basic digital back could be quite popular though...


I like the idea of their I-plates, but the design doesn't look as if it will be able to ensure mounting at the right distance each time, so I don't see it working well.
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Why re-design a film camera when they almost got to perfection 20 years ago??
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