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Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

Nokia has just released the Nokia 9 phone today.

It has 5 cameras on the back 2 RGB and 3 Mono which it uses to shoot a single picture. HMD (who now own Nokia) boasts that by doing this the device can preserve detail within 12.4 stops of dynamic range. That's equivalent to FF DSLR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47348779

a better write up here.

https://www.t3.com/news/nokia-9-pure...mp-photographs

Can't wait to see some sample images. Its aimed at photographic geeks.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

But what about the all important optics?

Before the image hits the 30Mp sensor it has to go through some glass. I can't see how you can get the same optical quality from a tiny lens as you can from (say) a DSLR lens. I'd rather have 16 quality megapixels than 30 indifferent ones.

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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

If you read the review it explains how it does it. It actually has Zeiss optics and 5 x 12MP sensors and uses some clever software/hardware from a 2-year-old silicon valley startup which is also now talking to Sony. If its pixels you want then it can give you a panarama shot 250MP as a raw file.

But as I said the proof is in the actual images you get out, so will reserve judgment until they are available.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

Four pictures per Gigabyte...

How long will it take to download them, let alone “peep” at all those pixels.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

You are missing the point. That's the raw data, Mega Pixels are there if you want them.

Adobe Lightroom and Google photo will let you change the focus point post taking the pic, so try and do that in a DSLR.

The final picture size is whatever you set.
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It's coming from left field, dedicated software and dedicated hardware (silicon)

The Google Pixel 3 phone/camera, for example, does it with one lens and software. Nokia is taking another approach using, even more, hardware and software.

I repeat let's wait and see what the images look like.

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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

Let’s see how good it is at getting a critically sharp image of a barn owl traversing a cornfield an hour before sunset, 50 metres away...

I have no doubt it will be excellent at all sorts of imaging, and if it isn’t we only have to wait another year before one’s released that is. Or perhaps another year after that.

‘Proper’ cameras have a limited life expectancy now, but it’s in the more challenging areas of photography that they will hold out the longest, eg much wildlife, sports and distant-action photography.

Incidentally that’s why I consider Olympus’ current focus on these areas to be particularly sensible, plus they have been by far the best traditional manufacturer at embracing computational photography in various forms (e.g. live composite, right through to Pro Capture etc).

I’m anticipating being very happy to use a phone for much of my street photography soon: all sorts of advantages in being able to do that.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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It has 5 cameras on the back 2 RGB and 3 Mono which it uses to shoot a single picture
Do these multiple cameras on phones affect their suitability for digiscoping in any way?
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

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Do these multiple cameras on phones affect their suitability for digiscoping in any way?
It obviously can't do the depth of field stuff or auto focussing when used as a digiscope, but you still have the opportunity to use either a single colour camera or indeed a single mono. Same applies to other phones with multiple cameras I guess.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

First image samples available here.

https://www.gsmarena.com/feast_your_...news-35690.php

Looks pretty impressive IMHO.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

I does produce nice images but it's not for me. I enjoy changing lenses & fiddling with optics far more than post processing. So even if the quality surpasses my cameras (all 5+ years old now) I wouldn't swap.
Low light results certainly looks good, resolution is impressive if it's real & not just AI guesswork.
In 5 years it may be that systems like this take over & proper cameras are no longer made. If so it will reduce the price of the current systems but I'd still find it a disappointment.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

I don't think so - though I reserve final judgment to after I have had time to play with one.

Phones like the Huawei P20 Pro/Mate 20 Pro and the new triple-camera Samsungs (https://dpnow.com/samsung-unpacked-2...10-range-fold/) already bring a big chunk of what the Nokia 9 offers. There could be a law of diminishing returns - yes the Nokia has even more cameras but can it deliver a knock-out improvement? It will also be substantially more expensive.

On top of that, it's a phone, so it will continue to be relatively clumsy to use compared to a decent 'real' camera.

But don't get me wrong, I use my Huawei Mate 20 Pro a lot and I really like it. When I use my OM-D E-M1 Mark II, though, the difference in image flexibility and sheer comfort of use makes it produce decidedly better results.

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I don't think so - though I reserve final judgment to after I have had time to play with one.

Phones like the Huawei P20 Pro/Mate 20 Pro and the new triple-camera Samsungs (https://dpnow.com/samsung-unpacked-2...10-range-fold/) already bring a big chunk of what the Nokia 9 offers. There could be a law of diminishing returns - yes the Nokia has even more cameras but can it deliver a knock-out improvement? It will also be substantially more expensive.

On top of that, it's a phone, so it will continue to be relatively clumsy to use compared to a decent 'real' camera.

But don't get me wrong, I use my Huawei Mate 20 Pro a lot and I really like it. When I use my OM-D E-M1 Mark II, though, the difference in image flexibility and sheer comfort of use makes it produce decidedly better results.

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It's actually quite a bit cheaper than the Huawei!

Its £549 available 18th March in the UK.

https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb


I agree about the image flexibility.
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Re: Is the Nokia 9 a game changer

it could well be a trail blazer so to speak. Camera technology, talking of the body and lens, is almost unchanged for 100 years. NOT talking about the recording technology before anyone thinks I am...…….

Who says a good camera has only one lens. My thought about these camera phones is that they cannot have a proper zoom fitted, and to do wildlife type photography you really need a viewfinder rather than a screen..

But don't dismiss them, they are innovative...………..
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it could well be a trail blazer so to speak. Camera technology, talking of the body and lens, is almost unchanged for 100 years. NOT talking about the recording technology before anyone thinks I am...…….

Who says a good camera has only one lens. My thought about these camera phones is that they cannot have a proper zoom fitted, and to do wildlife type photography you really need a viewfinder rather than a screen..

But don't dismiss them, they are innovative...………..
I agree. The Nokia has stayed clear of doing zoom in any way, unlike the other multi-lens cameras. It only takes fixed focus length images. It can do wide angle or panorama shots using image stitching in the phone.
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