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Olympus OM-D E-M1 The first Micro Four Thirds camera that offers phase detect focusing so you can use Four Thirds DSLR lenses normally as well a Micro Four Thirds lenses.

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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

Chevvy - WHO is marketing the E-M1 as a BIF camera? Please be fair.

I don't want this to be mis-interpreted. I have repeatedly said that the E-5 is not a top-flight BIF camera but really specialised and skilled photographers like Andy Elliot and David Morison have been able to produce stunning results. David M has produced stunning results with manual focus lenses. You cannot buy even a 7D and expect stunning results without a lot of skill and determination.

All my efforts in encouraging the BIF debate here is about comparing the E-M1 to the E-M5 and Four Thirds DSLRs like the E-5. I always caution that the E-M1 is not a BIF photographer's dream come true.

What I do say is that the E-M1 is capable of sequential shooting of birds in flight with C-AF, something most photographers found impossible with the E-M5. Sequential shooting of birds in flight is also certainly possible with an E-5 and I have tried to help E-5 owners determine a) if the E-M1 is as good as an E-5 in this respect and b) if it is better. My answer is that I think it is at least as good as an E-5 and the signs are that it is better, but not dramatically so.

Nowhere has Olympus marketed or claimed that the E-M1 is a BIF specialist's camera, so let's not admonish Olympus for something they never did.

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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

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Chevvy - WHO is marketing the E-M1 as a BIF camera? Please be fair.

I don't want this to be mis-interpreted. I have repeatedly said that the E-5 is not a top-flight BIF camera but really specialised and skilled photographers like Andy Elliot and David Morison have been able to produce stunning results. David M has produced stunning results with manual focus lenses. You cannot buy even a 7D and expect stunning results without a lot of skill and determination.

All my efforts in encouraging the BIF debate here is about comparing the E-M1 to the E-M5 and Four Thirds DSLRs like the E-5. I always caution that the E-M1 is not a BIF photographer's dream come true.

What I do say is that the E-M1 is capable of sequential shooting of birds in flight with C-AF, something most photographers found impossible with the E-M5. Sequential shooting of birds in flight is also certainly possible with an E-5 and I have tried to help E-5 owners determine a) if the E-M1 is as good as an E-5 in this respect and b) if it is better. My answer is that I think it is at least as good as an E-5 and the signs are that it is better, but not dramatically so.

Nowhere has Olympus marketed or claimed that the E-M1 is a BIF specialist's camera, so let's not admonish Olympus for something they never did.

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Ian, either it DOES Bif or NOT ! Simple

YOU KNOW for many here "it is a DEAL BREAKER" and you started this thread " One thing many existing Olympus users expect from the new camera - BIF! "?

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28742

HOW WELL ?

in the ... BIF thread you say "not as well as Nikon/Canon" and

" I believe that you simply can't just wave a camera and lens around at a flying bird in the vague hope of getting a great shot. I hope some of our esteemed bird photographers here can confirm that you need to do some advance planning, anticipating which direction the bird will be travelling in, establishing the right moment to start shooting and therefore locking focus and of course to use the correct camera modes and settings. "


I am no way an " esteemed bird photographer " - I only took my first bird images last year in 2012 I am a beginner and *RAP at panning and using the E-5



However, I am "in Training in ... anticipating which direction the bird will be travelling in, establishing the right moment to start shooting and therefore locking focus and of course to use the correct camera modes and settings.

BUT I am getting some results - not bad for my first 12 months














THIS insect I turned to and our Keith (Ringneck) said " your not going for THAT" and I got it ...




Or this Swallow





Not bad for what I feel I am, a Beginner ... BUT I do believe that the OM-D EM-1 will with the 75-300 be a vast (for the PRICE?) Improvement for Bif ...

No I am not getting into the realms of Bif SELLING - IF I was then only Canon 7D and the 400 lens would do


BUT I do feel YOU and Olympus have sold "the OM-D EM-1 for Bif
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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

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BUT I do feel YOU and Olympus have sold "the OM-D EM-1 for Bif
Sorry Chevvy, but that's not the impression I got.
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Sorry Chevvy, but that's not the impression I got.

ooops best look at the posts ...
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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

For BIF, C-AF is not a must. An fast S-AF is more than enough for BIF.
From what I saw, E-M1 should be ok for BIF.

@Chevvyf1
Your BIF does not look that good : soft, shaked, noisy...etc.

I have some BIF done with E-5 on S-AF, some are aggresive cropped:


Vanturel de seara juvenil / Red-footed Falcon juvenile in fly by Fraton, on Flickr


Sorecar comun / Common Buzzard by Fraton, on Flickr


Western Marsh-harrier by Fraton, on Flickr


Common House Martin / Lastunul de casa by Fraton, on Flickr




Buzzard / Sorecar by Fraton, on Flickr
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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

looked through post 64 from Ian 2 weeks ago

" I honestly don't know if the new camera that has been promised can do BIF as well as or better than an E-5. I was simply pointing out that this is something that Four Thirds and many Pen/OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers are hoping for. In this light am optimistic that the new camera will be at least as good as an E-5. It's something Olympus is acutely aware so I am sure they would have worked on this area.

I also wanted to highlight the fact that while some other brand DSLRs, like the Canon 7D, are particularly good for this type of photography, many DSLRs aren't; try BIF on a 5D Mark II, for example - the AF system on that camera and many other Canons apart from the very top models are not up to the job. So the contextual point I am making is that while the E-5 is so-so at BIF photography demands it's far from being alone.

Ian "


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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

I think it would be nice to have some confirmation of the camera's abilities, and it does look hopeful.

No-one is expecting 7D performance, but it has been stated that it is "thought" or "alleged" to be in the Nikon D7100 class for C-AF with tracking.

Now..it would be good to see some hands-on experience, my preference with M4/3 existing lenses.

The messages coming across are somewhat vague or mixed, and some clarification of the E-M1's potential would be welcomed.

BIF is a small part of my work, but action shots are an increasing interest.
I do not want to have to use a 7D sized DSLR, so expect something of an improvement over the E-M5, which I enjoy.

It is hoped with the number of professionals having had some time to use it that this will be addressed over the next week or two
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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

No-one will know the true, real-world capabilities of this camera until it has been used in the wild by a great many photographers, over a great many disciplines, over quite a period of time.
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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

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@Chevvyf1
Your BIF does not look that good : soft, shaked, noisy...etc.

As your 2nd and 3rd

I am not the expert you are ...

I am only 12 months into Bif and learning
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No-one will know the true, real-world capabilities of this camera until it has been used in the wild by a great many photographers, over a great many disciplines, over quite a period of time.
Naturally so, but it must be possible to give some idea of it's worth??

I don't accept that this is an unreasonable expectation even at this early stage.

I treat most advertising in the way I interpret political manifestos.

You have to take it with a very large pinch of salt!!
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No-one will know the true, real-world capabilities of this camera until it has been used in the wild by a great many photographers, over a great many disciplines, over quite a period of time.

Stephen, My whole point ! Could we possibly expect Olympus - such a world leader in IMAGING - to put the EM-1 out with a number of Bird Togs to get reviews, if it is any good at all ?


Maybe we shall see some soon ...


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Re: C-AF on M4/3 lenses

Chevy,
When Ian started this thread he was stating that the BIF capabilities of the EM1 was a concern of many users, including myself. I have no illusions that this camera will be a wildlife photographer's dream but the EM5 had issues with BIF and very small subjects against a busy background so improvements in these areas would help to make the EM1 an excellent all rounder. I was pleased that Ian valued my opinion to the extent that he invited to give the EM1 some BIF testing before the launch to give him a better appreciation of the factors required for success. I have used the EM5 on holiday with just the 75-300mm and been happy with most of the results - even one or two BIFs with larger birds and my limited experience with the new camera indicate it will do most of what I want under these conditions. Maybe when I am on a hard core birding trip I will still use the 7D but the EM1 and it's predecessor can do so much more than the Canon so one of them will always be on the other shoulder. I must admit that my original thought was to be able to use just one system for everything including BIFs but that was just unrealistic. Having handled the EM1 and read the manual I decided that there were so many other reasons to order one and I am sure that with a little practise good BIFs will come. And I promise that the new camera will get a thorough testing as soon as I get my hands on it!

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Naturally so, but it must be possible to give some idea of it's worth??

I don't accept that this is an unreasonable expectation even at this early stage.

I treat most advertising in the way I interpret political manifestos.

You have to take it with a very large pinch of salt!!

EEK ! I don't take salt ... but I get your drift

Although I was not excited by Ian pigeon post of pictures ...

I was tempted to order in the belief that it was much better than the E-5
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Sorry Chevvy, but that's not the impression I got.

Quote from Ian and apologies to Ian posted It was what I read into his words ... from an enriched level of expectation
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EEK ! I don't take salt ... but I get your drift

I was tempted to order in the belief that it was much better than the E-5
Chevvy, neither do I...much

We have the luxury of time on our sides here, and the E-M5 is a great performer, so we hope the E-M1 will suit most of our photographic needs, but with vastly improved (functional) C-AF!

It is the seeming conflict of reports that I see on the web which is leading me to some, admittedly minor at this stage, doubts

Fingers crossed we will end up pleased!
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