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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

I think the problem for me was that I didn't post me shots in new threads and not everyone was inclined to look at the Event thread. I have seen a forum add-on to 'Like' a post that I may experiment - I have had a go at installing a Facebook 'Like' button but it's still not working quite right.

The e-group stats are looking very healthy - both the number of daily visitors and posts is up on this time last year. Soon we will be welcoming our 2,500th member.

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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

Here's a slightly tighter crop and a sort of high key vignette around Sadie:



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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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Here's a slightly tighter crop and a sort of high key vignette around Sadie:



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This works. It gives the bandstand a supporting role as a location for Sadie, rather than competing with her to be the main subject. Nice bit of processing.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

I like it now but if, as an inexperienced and unqualified judge of other peoples photographs (I have major problems with my own), and if I were nit-picking, I would prefer if the detail of the canopy to the left of the large column were to be toned down a little as it appears too sharp.

There, I believe that to be my first bit of criticism of a photo for almost three years.................and I have to pick on Sir!
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

I agree with John, this tighter crop works better than the original, the emphasis is now on the model but the ornate detail of the bandstand has also come to the fore.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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Hi Ian looking from the artist in me, and IMO the model is a very attractive lady.
The bandstand looks a very interesting architural structure and I can see what you are trying to do, I would have moved round to put the young lady to the right as she is looking to the left so putting the bandstand to the left and showing more of the bandstand, so that she is looking into the bandstand to direct the viewer into the bandstand. Rather than looking out of the picture making the viewer look away and out of the picture.

From the Tonal aspect of the image I think that it is about right for the this sort of shot.

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I had felt that too, but hadn't mentioned it. It's as if there is something more interesting going on that we don't get to see. I prefer to see the model to be looking into the photo.

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That is true for me. I will browse & go to make a comment, start & then abandon as I don't feel I have the right words to offer or I am not in the right mood to make a satisfactory comment or should just be getting on with work (has to be done to get money to buy more camera stuff as well as) to live.
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That is true for me. I will browse & go to make a comment, start & then abandon as I don't feel I have the right words to offer or I am not in the right mood to make a satisfactory comment or should just be getting on with work (has to be done to get money to buy more camera stuff as well as) to live.
+1 for me too. Ross has summed it up very nicely
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This works. It gives the bandstand a supporting role as a location for Sadie, rather than competing with her to be the main subject. Nice bit of processing.
Yes, it does look better.

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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

Like Bob, I am a little hesitant to venture into LFP with commenting, but the thought occurred to me - do females look at photos differently to the male viewers? A topic for discussion there perhaps?
And so my first thought was - the model's top just doesn't work for me. The fussiness clashes with the ornateness of the bandstand.
She is lovely, the bandstand is lovely, but the whole I find has too many distractions. The chairs add nothing and the pole behind the model grates a little because of the angle.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

I feel nowhere near qualified enough to make comments in the Perfection threads, so I just look, admire, and read ther experts' opinions, many of which go straight over my head.

I found myself focusing my attention on the model's face, obliterating the rest of the picvture from my attention. I wonder why that is? MNaybe it's as Janet says, that the other elemets distract and fight against each other so my brain filters them out.

I don't quite get the story with this. The top makes it look dated to the late Sixties/early Seventies. Is she waiting for someone? Has she been stood up?
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I feel nowhere near qualified enough to make comments in the Perfection threads, so I just look, admire, and read ther experts' opinions, many of which go straight over my head.

I found myself focusing my attention on the model's face, obliterating the rest of the picvture from my attention. I wonder why that is? MNaybe it's as Janet says, that the other elemets distract and fight against each other so my brain filters them out.

I don't quite get the story with this. The top makes it look dated to the late Sixties/early Seventies. Is she waiting for someone? Has she been stood up?
Don't forget - the LFP is 'looking for' perfection and not where people post what they feel are perfect images!! This is the place where photographers post in the hope that members DO actually post as much feedback as they can. It doesn't matter what ones ability is, or where you feel you fit in the schema, if you have an opinion on a photograph in LFP - please do feel free to voice that opinion.

I believe it is a common misconception; LFP isn't where members who don't think they are qualified to post, don't post - it is where photographers who don't want constructive criticism, shouldn't post! Work that one out
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Don't forget - the LFP is 'looking for' perfection and not where people post what they feel are perfect images!! This is the place where photographers post in the hope that members DO actually post as much feedback as they can. It doesn't matter what ones ability is, or where you feel you fit in the schema, if you have an opinion on a photograph in LFP - please do feel free to voice that opinion.

I believe it is a common misconception; LFP isn't where members who don't think they are qualified to post, don't post - it is where photographers who don't want constructive criticism, shouldn't post! Work that one out
Isn't the idea of perfection subjective and what might be a perfect image to one person, not be so to others. A prize-winning photograph chosen by a panel of judges perhaps would not have won if seen by a different jury. Who's to say what is perfect. Does "perfection" really exist?
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Absolutely it is Bob, and is why everyone is entitled to comment on images posted in LFP. The more feedback the photographer gets, the more he/she can take on board.
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I feel nowhere near qualified enough to make comments in the Perfection threads, so I just look, admire, and read ther experts' opinions, many of which go straight over my head.

I found myself focusing my attention on the model's face, obliterating the rest of the picvture from my attention. I wonder why that is? MNaybe it's as Janet says, that the other elemets distract and fight against each other so my brain filters them out.

I don't quite get the story with this. The top makes it look dated to the late Sixties/early Seventies. Is she waiting for someone? Has she been stood up?
Hh-hmm , that would be Lyn.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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Isn't the idea of perfection subjective and what might be a perfect image to one person, not be so to others. A prize-winning photograph chosen by a panel of judges perhaps would not have won if seen by a different jury. Who's to say what is perfect. Does "perfection" really exist?
Indeed it is subjective Bob and you are perfectly correct.

The thing is to get anything out of a critique you have to be a little thick skinned and take the things you agree with from it, and discard the suggestions you do not agree with without being offended, this is how you improve at the end of the day.

Sometimes after a suggestion I will think now why did I not see or think of that and incorporate it, other times I will not agree and discard it and give a polite thank you for your suggestion.

No need to get offended has it is all subjective at the end of the day.

I'll not comment on Ian's image has I have commented on most of them at DPN.
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