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Looking for improvement This is the e-group critique board. If you post a picture here it will be assumed that you are looking for comprehensive technical feedback - both good and bad, but always respectful. Only post pictures here if you can deal with potentially negative constructive criticism. Anyone is qualified to comment and post feedback, and everyone is encouraged to do so. NB: "Looking for Improvement" is the place to post any pictures you would like advice on improving, no matter how bad you might think they are.

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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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Indeed it is subjective Bob and you are perfectly correct.

The thing is to get anything out of a critique you have to be a little thick skinned and take the things you agree with from it, and discard the suggestions you do not agree with without being offended, this is how you improve at the end of the day.

Sometimes after a suggestion I will think now why did I not see or think of that and incorporate it, other times I will not agree and discard it and give a polite thank you for your suggestion.

No need to get offended has it is all subjective at the end of the day.

I'll not comment on Ian's image has I have commented on most of them at DPN.
I suppose that it is praise, indeed, for any photo if you get any response whatsoever, whereas no comments at all sends a different message.

To repeat my previous question, is there such a thing as perfection? Perhaps it should be called "Looking for improvement" and then anyone posting a picture that doesn't get any response would think that it must be perfect!Heh, heh!
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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I suppose that it is praise, indeed, for any photo if you get any response whatsoever, whereas no comments at all sends a different message.

To repeat my previous question, is there such a thing as perfection? Perhaps it should be called "Looking for improvement" and then anyone posting a picture that doesn't get any response would think that it must be perfect!Heh, heh!
Do you know what Paul, that is not a bad suggestion at all... in fact, it is a really good suggestion.

Ponders...
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Do you know what Paul, that is not a bad suggestion at all... in fact, it is a really good suggestion.

Ponders...
I agree, it would help prevent any misconceptions due to the title.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

BobS: great idea, sorry I attributed it to Paul - my mistake. Watch this space folks...
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

This tighter crop works for me. I do agree with Lyn, though, regarding the model's upper garments. A little fussy in context of the bandstand. Must be my female side coming out.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

Good move to rename this board; while 'Looking for Perfection' is what it's all about, 'perfection' is subjective, but basically this board is all about posting photos to generate third party constructive comment aimed at helping the poster to find useful advice on improving the picture where possible - or condensed down to one single word: 'critique'.

Don't be afraid to post comments. One thing that is undeniably true is that it is much easier to appreciate other people's work than to create your own. Your opinion is very useful. Without adequate feedback a consensus is difficult to form. Especially if you don't like something, that feedback is very valuable. Naturally, be as respectful and polite as possible when providing feedback.

For those wishing to post their images for feedback here - do be prepared for comment that you may not agree with and respect such comments as long as they are well meant and polite. If you feel you won't cope well with negative comment, then it's probably best not to post your work here.

Other advice - critique forums work best if you limit each thread to a single image (or at least one shot and maybe several different workings of that shot, or maybe several slightly different images). If you post several images in one thread, especially very different ones, it's difficult to focus on particular points.

Above all - image posters and commenters - try not to be put off!

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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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I'm a bit frustrated that I have had next to no feedback to the shots I have posted on the What Digital Camera event in Brighton thread here over the last few days:...
Well I didn't even look at that thread since it was an announcement of an event in Brighton, not a post of photographs to be considered ... according to the title and forum location.
Am I wrong? Oh look, lots of model photos inside ... just goes to show.
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...I don't think there's a specific reason people don't post comments or reply...
My reason is above, and very specific.

Now THIS thread is getting plenty of views and comments because it's in the right place with the right title to garner such things.

The photo : I like the lines of interesting dark stuff against the white but I see a better composition with the top inch cropped off, and definitely would've positioned myself to view the model from the hips upwards since I consider her trousers to be the spawn of beelzebub. That's just me of course.
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My reason is above, and very specific.
Indeed.

My point though, in my quote was that there is not necessarily an overall reason why people don't post in relation to the forum.

You are right to point out though that individuals do have specific reasons for not posting.
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Hh-hmm , that would be Lyn.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

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The fussiness clashes with the ornateness of the bandstand.....but the whole I find has too many distractions
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...Maybe it's as Janet says, that the other elemets distract and fight against each other ....
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Sorry Lyn. It just looked like LMGruchy was agreeing with your comment (in different words) but quoted it coming from someone else (that hasn't commented on this thread). I thought you might like the credit for your helpful critique.
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Sorry Lyn. It just looked like LMGruchy was agreeing with your comment (in different words) but quoted it coming from someone else (that hasn't commented on this thread). I thought you might like the credit for your helpful critique.
Thanks Ross. I am up with it now!
Not sure about the "helpful" bit, but I enjoy other people's comments on my posts and feedback of any kind is appreciated by me, and when I comment on others it is usually on just how the photo grabs me.
I am disappointed that other ladies on the forum didn't join in with this one.
I like the new title and hope it encourages more to comment.
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Re: Model shoot on Brighton Beach bandstand

This has a great feel about it, attractive model against an interesting backdrop.

You say "the subject is really the setting of the bandstand", but a setting can hardly be the subject of itself
no more than this lady can be seen as incidental to the composition.

Having the model stand on a chair and shooting from a lower camera angle would have cropped out the ugly chairs,
simplified the composition and pulled the essential elements together.

This is a quick and crude reconstruction to illustrate the points.
Your model may have adopted any number of poses to suit your taste.
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