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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

In between Jim (maccabeej) with the light blue jumper, and Ian with the light blue jumper. My jumper is maroon, just to spoil the sequence.

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

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I'm beginning to regret not going, but I'm sure that the journey would have just been too much. Hope you all have a great time.
Sorry not to see you there, John, but it was not a very nice day for travelling anyway. Hopefully next time the stars will align better.

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

I'm 3rd from left. Great to see so many from here there shame I could not get round to talk to most but I was on a mission to test lenses. I found the event most helpful (thanks Olympus) so much that I have placed an order for the 300mm f4.
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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

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Haha, no - John, Graham and I are having a moderators' meeting over at John's neck of the woods because he isn't very mobile at the moment.

I think the earliest we'll see an E-M1ii will be Photokina in September although I am now hearing that top end camera lifecycles may be extended to 4 years, so September 2017...

Incidentally, although the Pen F may look like an E-P5 replacement, the E-P5 remains a current model for now.

Ian
So firmware updates for the E-P5 are hopfully a possibility, sorry but I've just got one

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

I'm the Graham on the right......next to the other Graham!
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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

Haha, nobody is chatting about the Pen F!

It has the best sensor in the Olympus range but is it as good as the Panasonic GX8, which I would lay odds has the same sensor (which I am also pretty sure is made, not by Panasonic, but by Sony).

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

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... I would lay odds has the same sensor (which I am also pretty sure is made, not by Panasonic, but by Sony).

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I'm at a loss to understand their reluctance to say what sensor it is

While it's not as easy as opening up the bonnet of a Rolls Royce and looking at what the engine is, sooner or later someone will enlighten us...
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I'm at a loss to understand their reluctance to say what sensor it is

While it's not as easy as opening up the bonnet of a Rolls Royce and looking at what the engine is, sooner or later someone will enlighten us...
It will be very easy once DxOMark puboish their sensor performance results. Comparison of the data with the Lumix GX8 will prove very interesting.

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

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Haha, nobody is chatting about the Pen F!

It has the best sensor in the Olympus range but is it as good as the Panasonic GX8, which I would lay odds has the same sensor (which I am also pretty sure is made, not by Panasonic, but by Sony).

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Wonder if that is because Olympus faithfuls are not convinced by more megapixels or is it the price?
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It will be very easy once DxOMark puboish their sensor performance results. Comparison of the data with the Lumix GX8 will prove very interesting.

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...and, if so, in real-life tests such as those by Cameralabs, it's likely to give barely 1/3 stop better lift out of the noise floor in real resolution for a 25% increase in file size.

We'll see.
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...and, if so, in real-life tests such as those by Cameralabs, it's likely to give barely 1/3 stop better lift out of the noise floor in real resolution for a 25% increase in file size.

We'll see.
That's quite an achievement - or do you not agree?

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That's quite an achievement - or do you not agree?

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Sure, it's an improvement, although it is in real life what psychologists call a 'JND' - a just-noticeable difference. I suppose my question is whether that is worth more cost and 25% more rapid loss of hard disk space and slower post processing!

I'm thinking about the E-M1 II, of course, and for me the main attraction has always been based on potentially significantly improved CAF performance rather than better resolution or noise.

After all, we already have rather old mirrorless cameras with adequate CAF performance that is significantly better than that of the E-M1 (i.e. the Sony A6000) so I'd like it in a modern Olympus, please!
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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

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That's quite an achievement - or do you not agree?

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Given the 'relatively' ( compared to 24x36mm or MF ) small sensor size and a 20mp count I have to agree with you Ian.

I have to say I find myself, a committed film user, rather seduced by the Pen-F retro charm and output. I prefer to shoot B&W and I have to say the sample B&W images I have seen so far have a 'film-like' quality to them, I would be very happy to have this as my only digital option.

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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

The increase to 20mp is a welcome incremental improvement that helps to keep the sensor competitive, but it is not by itself a reason for existing Olympus users with 16mp cameras to consider upgrading. However, we should not overlook that this is the first of a completely new category of Olympus MFT cameras, Pen style but with a built in EVF and strongly reminiscent of 35mm rangefinder cameras in appearance, though not of course in operation. There will be many photographers who are glad to have this option, which bridges the gap between a Pen and an OMD.

It has been pointed out that many of the new features of this camera are aimed at JPEG users and therefore won't appeal to some photographers who would otherwise favour this design, although it will of course still produce excellent raw files. However, as I said above, this is the first of a new type of camera for Olympus and subsequent models with different features are bound to follow.

About the 4mp increase; it is clearly not the same game changer as the previous leap from 12mp to 16mp, which also delivered some very significant improvements in high ISO performance and dynamic range. The problem is that we were spoilt with that momentous sensor upgrade and now we expect the same with every new camera, but clearly that is not going to happen. The sense of expectation is not helped by the fact that resolution is now at the stage where very large prints can be made with such quality that for practical purposes improved output from our cameras is almost meaningless, but still we harbour the somewhat irrational fear that Micro Four Thirds is lagging behind Full Frame. It's rather like a Porche owner fretting that a Ferrari has a faster top speed.

The challenge for Olympus is that the sensor destined for the eventual E-M1 mark II is likely to be very similar to the one we now have in the Pen-F, so nothing short of a significant improvement in PDAF and how it copes with moving subjects will satisfy current users of the flagship camera.
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Re: The new PEN-F proves beauty has no need for DSLR beasts

I attended the middle session but did manage to meet a few of you before the event. I was really pleased to get the chance to try the 300 but am still doubtful that I'd manage the weight on a long walk. However it was amazingly sharp. The PenF I thought gorgeous and liked the mono customisation but I'm managing with one body and love my EM1 so will not rush into it yet.
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