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Micro Four Thirds Discuss the newly announced Micro Four Thirds addition to the Four Thirds system family here.

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Moving to Microfourthirds

A fellow photographer is moving into the world of Microfourthirds. She have been using the Stylus 1 for over 2 years and have always been hitting the limitations of the smaller sensor and is now ready to move to a bigger camera.

Budget is a constrain. As of now, she have booked a used 40-150/2.8 and a 12-40/2.8. The only thing now is a suitable body to complete the move.

To me, I do not advice on the EM1mk2 as I do not foresee her using any of the 4/3 lenses. So the lack of Phase Focus should not be a problem.

EM5mk2. At the moment, that is already over 2 years old and a new release should be anytime soon. I don't want to introduce her to it as she would me should Oly announce the mk3 before the year is out.

EM10mk3. I was thinking of this as the batteries are similar (or are they not) and she should comfortably move into this.

I would like your opinion on WHY the EM10mk3 should not be the option. What are the limitations of this camera as it's entry level..but not weather sealed, not so good IS and no ProCap.

Should I ask her to wait for the EM5mk3 and meanwhile let her use my EM1mk1?

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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

E-M10 seems a bit small for the larger lenses you have mentioned, which fit better with an E-M1
The E-M5ii with a grip would be a good middle ground. Why wait for the mk iii - there's always a new bit of kit on the horizon. Just take the plunge and get started
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

If budget is a constraint then take a look at the E-M10ii. It's a great camera and with its grip it works pretty well with the larger lenses. You can get nice used copies for around the 300 mark (I have one for sale myself ). There is not a lot of difference in size to the E-M5ii.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

Let her use your E-M1 mk1 for a while then analyse what she likes and doesn't like about it. This should point the way towards which of the current models would be more suitable. Of course, she might decide to get a second hand mk1 of her own, it would certainly be an appropriate size for her pro lenses and, like those lenses, it would be weather resistant to a high standard. Save some pennies towards another lens too!
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

FWIW I recently bought an E-M10 Mkii for under 300 from Camera Jungle. I upgraded from the Mki version. The only makor feature the Mkiii has is 4K video which I have no use for and the latest JPG processing which isn't that important to me as I shoot RAW+JPG.
The Mkii has 5 axis stabilisation.

I agree with the poster above that the larger lenses are likely to unbalance the E-M10 body unless you add a grip too. My largest lens is the cheap plastic 40-150 and it feels slightly silly on the tiny E-M10.

If there's an E-M1 Mki available to use I would start there and then decide if a smaller body is comfortable after some practice.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

I would also suggest a used E-M1 if the price is suitable, making sure though that the dials aren't an issue etc, but then again, anything used is always a risk.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

When I travelled in Malaysia a few years ago, I chose to take an E-M5 because of its weather sealing, which I considered important in a tropical rainforest climate. For that reason I would not recommend the E-M10 series.

The phase-detection AF of the E-M1Mkii is not only for 4/3 lenses. It makes a big difference to the speed of the AF and its ability to track moving subjects. Since I am a wildlife photographer, these features are important to me and I quickly changed to the E-M1, after I had used the E-M5 for a while. A lot depends on what types of photography interest your friend.

If budget is important, then I think the E-M5Mkii should complement the excellent lenses she has already chosen and, with the recent version 4 firmware, adds the focus stacking feature, which I use a lot for photographing flowers.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

If budgetry constraints are important then the E-M5 Mk1. I would also advise to go for the E-M10 Mk ii rather than the Mk iii if this slightly smaller form factor is OK. Best thing is to get to hold one or two before making a choice.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

Buy Paul’s 10ii or wait for the 5iii I’d say. I don’t see the 10iii being enough (any?) improvement over the 10ii to bother with. On the other hand a 5iii might tempt me to upgrade, weathersealing being the main reason. I’d like it to have a built in flash too, and some of the fancy bells and whistles of the top of the range stuff please Olympus
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

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Buy Pauls 10ii or wait for the 5iii Id say. I dont see the 10iii being enough (any?) improvement over the 10ii to bother with. On the other hand a 5iii might tempt me to upgrade, weathersealing being the main reason. Id like it to have a built in flash too, and some of the fancy bells and whistles of the top of the range stuff please Olympus
The built in flash of the E-M10 series is fine for smaller lenses but can be too low for the Pro lenses she has, creating shadows in the image.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

Personally I have not used or tried any of the other OMDs other than the EM5mk1. It's good reading on your views on the other OMDs.

I was actually favoring the EM10 due to the similar battery to the Stylus 1. Looking at all this, it seems that the EM5 would be a better path to migrate to. I will let her decide as she can use my EM1mk1 while she decide or wait till the EM5mk3 comes along.

What I am afraid would be Oly moving away from the BLN-1 to the better BCH-1 with the mk3. While now with the EM1mk2, I only need 1 and the 2nd as a spare which I hardly need.

What about the Panny offerings? anyone using those and can comment? And the PENs?
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

Id say a second-hand EM1i bought from a reputable dealer with a guarantee is a fantastic bargain these days.

Shed lose very little in resale value while getting used to the system, and seeing what the new body releases bring and how much depreciation occurs to the E-M1ii. Everyone gets stoked up in to a buying frenzy when new high-end bodies are launched, and a lot of it is shown to be hype in the cold light of day.

The troubles I had with PENs (not the -F) were ergonomic - the dials and buttons were vague and fiddly compared to the OMDs, and add on finders are a right pain for anything more than occasional use. Mine were always becoming part-detached when I took the camera out at critical moments. Maybe these aspects are better with the latest models, but Id strongly suggest trying one out for a good long time before jumping if you are going that way.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

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Personally I have not used or tried any of the other OMDs other than the EM5mk1. It's good reading on your views on the other OMDs.

I was actually favoring the EM10 due to the similar battery to the Stylus 1. Looking at all this, it seems that the EM5 would be a better path to migrate to. I will let her decide as she can use my EM1mk1 while she decide or wait till the EM5mk3 comes along.

What I am afraid would be Oly moving away from the BLN-1 to the better BCH-1 with the mk3. While now with the EM1mk2, I only need 1 and the 2nd as a spare which I hardly need.

What about the Panny offerings? anyone using those and can comment? And the PENs?
She does not want to be using those lenses on a Pen!
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

I had an E-PL5 which I really liked, I added the VF-4 EVF but it very seldom got attached and I sold it.
My E-PL5 has a vertical wheel and 4 way arrow combined control for most functions and the wheel is a bit fiddly when it works. You have to press buttons to choose between the main function and exposure compensation. Now has a habit of skipping around rather than going forwards/backwards smoothly - for that reason I never tried to sell it on.

I then bought an E-M10 _mainly_ for the better dials - exposure comp on the front and aperture/shutter on the rear. This is much better to use in a hurry than flipping between two functions on one control on the PL5.
The EVF is handy but I shoot with the screen a lot of the time too.

The batteries from my PL5, EM10 and EM10Mkii all work in all 3 cameras. I honestly never need a spare - which is perhaps my shooting style - I know others swear by having multiple spares. I wouldn't base my camera decision on that alone.

Olympus have been selling the E-M10 Mkii and Mkiii along side each other for a while. The price difference is 450 or 630 body only at Wex which is a big jump.
If the E-M5 Mkiii is released this year I would expect the Mkii to remain around for a few months - the Mkii price might drop but you'll be looking at a premium for the Mkiii for a while.

I agree with the comment above that the PRO lenses will be a handful on a PEN.
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Re: Moving to Microfourthirds

Interesting question Henry. I dont have any Pen or m4/3s Panny experience. I do like the panny style in their TZ and FZ series cameras. Overall though I'd suggest going for an EM1 mk2 when the prices drop as the new model comes out. It should be a great bargain. Mind you in the meantime using your EM1 mk1 then I wouldn't be suprised if that didn't win out and be the way forward.
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