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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

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Haha - if you know what to look for you can see me in the audience

It was a pretty poor showing from Olympus if you ask me. The press conference was a waste of precious time for the assembled journos.

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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

I accept what you’re saying about a poor show from Olympus but almost find it heartening in a way. I’m glad they don’t replace the current top of range camera every year, or roll out a new lens mount with similar frequency. Some new glass would be nice though, some firmware updates perhaps and maybe some other accessories too.
Too much of our world is announce today, discontinue tomorrow. It felt less like that with Canon but with lens updates starting to come thick and fast in more recent times it was maybe moving that way.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

Actually I feel we are a bit let down by Olympus in the mid range zoom options. There are some excellent mid priced primes and some excellently priced low end zooms. The 12-50 springs to mind as one of these but at F/6.3 at the long end it is just a bit too slow. Not everyone needs F/2.8 (price and size spring to mind), but a 5x to 8x zoom that goes from F/3.2 at the short end to F/4.8 at the long end would be ideal. Something just a tad up from Panasonic's 12-60 F/3.5-5.6 or a stop brighter than Oly's excellent 40-150mm and 14-150mm which both tail off at F/5.6.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

The world and its products go round in circles, in fashion, mobile phones and many other things. In photography, everything got smaller right down to those ridiculously tiny film cassettes, then things got bigger and everyone had to have a full frame DSLR, then people (or the manufacturers) decided that smaller was better, now it's back to full frame. All of this, of course, driven by manufacturers trying to think of new things/trends to keep the market going.

I must admit, I have no intention of going back to full frame even if the cams themselves are smaller and lighter. I see no benefit in buying a 300mm lens and get just that ... 300mm and if I want a 600mm lens, then I would need pots more money not only for the lens but to hire someone to carry it for me.

I for one am happy to see Olympus staying dedicated to M43 (so far) and hope that they will give us some great lenses (hoping for an alternative to the Panny 100-400 but at a competitive price to it), keep giving us good updates on our cameras and continue with new and innovative bodies.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

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Actually I feel we are a bit let down by Olympus in the mid range zoom options.........Not everyone needs F/2.8 (price and size spring to mind), but a 5x to 8x zoom that goes from F/3.2 at the short end to F/4.8 at the long end would be ideal.
Why not settle on a constant F/4? There are other constant aperture zooms being produced so it’s do-able. By 5x to 8x, what focal length are you hankering for?
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

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I must admit, I have no intention of going back to full frame even if the cams themselves are smaller and lighter. I see no benefit in buying a 300mm lens and get just that ... 300mm and if I want a 600mm lens, then I would need pots more money not only for the lens but to hire someone to carry it for me.
This has only become the norm in recent times, in film days we had none of this ‘crop factor’ nonsense, a 50mm lens was the standard based on comparable field of view to the human eyesight and a 300mm lens was just that, 300mm which I suppose you could describe as a 6x telephoto. I think we’ve got used to getting that extra reach and I too would sorely miss it. I guess with FF you’ve got more leeway to crop but does it compare to the extra crop being in the camera?
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

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Why not settle on a constant F/4? There are other constant aperture zooms being produced so it’s do-able. By 5x to 8x, what focal length are you hankering for?
There must be compromises, or perhaps that should be higher costs, in a constant aperture zoom. The cheaper zooms do seem to all have a variable aperture - its just a bit small at the long end. By all means produce a constant F/4 12-60mm (8x zoom) or 14-140mm (10x zoom) but I was thinking of a price point between the constant F/4 12-100 that we have (very expensive) and the existing affordable but light constrained 12-50, 14-42, 40-150, and 14-150. Actually a cheaper, lighter, tad smaller, more plastic, non-PRO version of the 12-100mm PRO would be ideal.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

It seems clear to me that mirrorless "FF" (36x24mm) is now the standard enthusiast/pro sweet spot of IQ versus size/price/features. M43 had a niche five years ago but I think it's now being eroded. Back when the E-M5 was launched we had a super small system that was relatively well priced, feature packed and not far behind other systems in IQ.

In the intervening time all the other major vendors have launched mirrorless FF and have done so with newer sensor tech that delivers stunning dynamic range and noise performance.

Meanwhile, m43 sensor tech has hardly moved. In truth the images from my E-M1ii are only marginally better in a technical sense than what the E-M5 delivered. M43 desperately needs a jump in sensor tech to keep in the race. Dynamic range and noise performance are the fighting grounds.

I know that Olympus have moved up market in terms of big glass and more body features to stay in the same market as FF, but I don't think it's enough without the sensor improvement.

Of course I understand entirely that m43 can still produce spectacular images (better than MF film) - but that's not the point - it's about comparative performance.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm still a massive Olympus fan and I have no intention of jumping ship - but the truth is that FF is now the default enthusiast format. With Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Sigma and Leica at the party the pressure on Olympus to be in the same race will be enormous.

I think it's a mistake for Olympus if they don't produce an FF system. Of course this isn't good news for anyone heavily invested in mu43 - I don't think the long term future is assured at all.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

I don't think I will be buying FF (either DSLR or mirrorless) anytime soon. The original Olympus SLR cameras were the right size for me; going digital the E-5 was not. In the mirrorless market the E-M5 was the perfect size as are most of the lenses; the E-M1 is too big. I now have a reasonable investement in Olympus MFT that would stop me switching at a whim even if the size & weight were right.

If Olympus were to enter the "FF" market then they would need a new sensor... and as has been said the major thing lacking at the moment in Oly MFT is a more up to date sensor so perhaps they don't have access to up to date sensor technology at the moment.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

But have not Olympus always kicked the trend, since 1/2 frame film days...

Full Frame still means BIG lenses, and big bodies...…

Noise is the bete noire...………..

Not an expert...………..
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

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I don't think I will be buying FF (either DSLR or mirrorless) anytime soon. The original Olympus SLR cameras were the right size for me; going digital the E-5 was not. In the mirrorless market the E-M5 was the perfect size as are most of the lenses; the E-M1 is too big. I now have a reasonable investement in Olympus MFT that would stop me switching at a whim even if the size & weight were right.

If Olympus were to enter the "FF" market then they would need a new sensor... and as has been said the major thing lacking at the moment in Oly MFT is a more up to date sensor so perhaps they don't have access to up to date sensor technology at the moment.
That is one thing that is expected to be improved on next year.
The 'trusty' Simon said this (in July),
"the new 6 axle stabi in MK III, that's another 30 % improvement over the current EM 1 MK II. Furthermore the new sensor does not bring a significant Mpx improvement, but in the ISO and low light range a real breakthrough."
This can be found in the comments here (a long way down).

So from his comments (including his other comments), an E-M1 Mk III will be coming 1st quarter 2019 with a 30% improved IS (Sync IS) with 6 axis (?) & the sensor not much difference in MP but significant improvement in low light & high ISO.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

I think that noise and DR are the battlegrounds. I'm delighted with the output from my Oly gear most of the time, but nearly everything I shoot is at ISO 200. I know that once ISO climbs then I can't afford to be too critical or go pixel peeking. For some types of photography this doesn't cut it if you're after the best results (e.g. wildlife).

For me it's the DR that's the thing I'd most like to see improved. I shoot a lot of landscapes and for that you can never have too much DR. I very often shoot a 5-shot bracketed sequence (usually with the electronic shutter) and stack later. This is very effective for many shots, but it's got its limitations - e.g. on long exposures, when there's subject movement or where there's some other effect needed such as focus stacking (and yes, I've used focus stacking for landscape!). It's also more long-winded in post processing.

So, I'd be delighted if Oly has something up their sleeve next year that would improve noise and DR. I don't need more Mp - just more DR and improved higher ISO performance.
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

Better ISO performance is my LIKE. I limit my Em1 ii to 800 ISO for much of my stuff. It can go a lot higher if the light is good, and this allows faster shutter speeds. But lower light levels are not good meat to chew...…..
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

How about if the next sensor was dual ISO at 100 and 1000 ??
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Re: Nothing new from Olympus at Photokina, but...

I've not lost hope that we might see some more firmware enhancements for the E-M1 Mk ii. In another thread, Graham-of-Rainham noted that the latest iPhones can simulate the wide-aperture, shallow depth-of-field look, which portrait photographers like so much.


It would surely not be difficult to add this capability to the Olympus in a firmware upgrade, through a modification of the focus-bracketing feature.


The 'Focos' software app. can already do this for any dual-camera iPhone and I show an example below:


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