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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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Completely underwhelmed at that price... E-30 will do for me.. I had been waiting for this to upgrade from my 510, but am now very happy that Jessops had that silly deal about a year ago.

Whilst ISO sensitivity is increased I see not one work about noise. It's always the argument and I would have at least liked to see a statement on what it means to use the high ISO - I still hope for some news on that

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There is no doubt that the E-5 has a modified imaging pipeline derived from the Pens, and these are already a stop better in terms of noise and ISO usability than the E-30, and I'd say a couple of stops better at the extreme limit of ISO range compared to the E-3, because of the E-3's banding problems at ISO 1600 and 3200.

ISO 3200 should be usable with care. ISO 6400 is only for emergencies, but is better than the E-3's ISO 3200.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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I want Olympus to come up with a great mirrorless body that will do justice to the Four Thirds glass we all have.
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Now there's a thought! A standard size EVF mirrorless 4/3 body, with a very quiet shutter please :-)

Like many others I moved to Olympus for the spectacular lenses: They make up for the good but not spectacular bodies...

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Having been the very happy owner of an E3 for just over a year now I am very happy to see that the E5 looks very similar to the E3 …. the E3 fits my hands very well and there will not be too much relearning of where buttons have moved to – will the buttons light up in the dark?

Presumably the E3 wireless remote control, wired control and batteries are all compatible with the E5?

Despite using my E3 in the worst of weathers, I had no problems whatsoever using it in the pouring rain, snow or in temperatures down to -15°C. I would assume that the E5 can also do this.

I appreciate that some people had problems with the tilt/swivel screen, but would hope that this new screen addresses these problems.

The video capability is very welcome. Stills are great for some things, but to catch the majesty of clouds racing across landscapes, or stormy seas, would be great. Often I have been in out of the way places and found myself watching amazing weather, and it would wonderful to be able to capture it for posterity.

What would be nice to see are some high ISO photo samples. Recently I have become a bit of a lens Luddite and have bought an M42 500mm f8.0 MTO mirror lens and an M42 300mm f4.5 Tair lens. Both are great lenses, and being able to use them with higher ISO’s certainly be useful.

Ian, how soon before can we hire one to try? Presumably there is a waiting list for those wanting to hire it? If so please can you add me to list.
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Having been the very happy owner of an E3 for just over a year now I am very happy to see that the E5 looks very similar to the E3 …. the E3 fits my hands very well and there will not be too much relearning of where buttons have moved to – will the buttons light up in the dark?

Presumably the E3 wireless remote control, wired control and batteries are all compatible with the E5?

Despite using my E3 in the worst of weathers, I had no problems whatsoever using it in the pouring rain, snow or in temperatures down to -15°C. I would assume that the E5 can also do this.

I appreciate that some people had problems with the tilt/swivel screen, but would hope that this new screen addresses these problems.

The video capability is very welcome. Stills are great for some things, but to catch the majesty of clouds racing across landscapes, or stormy seas, would be great. Often I have been in out of the way places and found myself watching amazing weather, and it would wonderful to be able to capture it for posterity.

What would be nice to see are some high ISO photo samples. Recently I have become a bit of a lens Luddite and have bought an M42 500mm f8.0 MTO mirror lens and an M42 300mm f4.5 Tair lens. Both are great lenses, and being able to use them with higher ISO’s certainly be useful.

Ian, how soon before can we hire one to try? Presumably there is a waiting list for those wanting to hire it? If so please can you add me to list.
The E-5 isn't on our stock list yet and may not be until the end of next month, but if it arrives any sooner I'll let everyone know.

Compared to the E-3, I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised by the high ISO performance, especially if you have had problems with banding at 1600 and 3200. You should notice more detail resolution as well.

Batteries are, I understand, interchangeable, although the E-5 is compatible with a newer BLM-5 model as well. All the other accessories you have listed are compatible.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Well.............................................. ...............................

and h'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

maybe even

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............

but not

Wow !!

maybe OK

The E-5 (E3.5 perhaps more truly) is a bit light on excitement. Though the increase in bracketing steps to 7 is welcome and more my-modes will prove useful..

12mp - Well I'm not a great fan of mps for mps sake, but I'm rather fond of the square format and this leaves little crop space if you are going to maintain 3K min per side. So that remains a bit shy of my desires but expected.

If it maintains the improvement in image quality/ISO performance of the E-PL1 then that is welcome.

No problem really with 4/3 following m4/3 in terms of technology. The bit that makes 4/3 different (the mirror/viewfinder) is 'old' technology, after 50 years or so they should be able to make it right. And developments in sensor/engine technology - well I'd rather they work all the bugs out in cheaper cameras and give me the best possible iteration of a technology in my 'work horse' body. And if Olympus take good technology and then fine tune it for the 'professional' body, well that's quite probably a more 'professional' approach than turning out the pro-body as a test bed for half proven ideas.

The problem is that m4/3'rds technology has been 'catching up' DSLR performance, if the next generation of m4/3'rd bodies grab a lead then that'll be fine.

No the real problem will be the press response, there is no real novelty to grab the jaded alcohol addled minds of the techno-hacks. It gives them so much more room just to trot out their prejudices, poor things - they need novelty to get them interested.

Still, it's pointless judging the camera till we've seen some pictures taken. After all taking pictures is what photography is all about, isn't it?

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

A very eloquent and thoughtful post, Nick

Incidentally, I know some photo mag journos how are teetotal, honest!

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

I'll be interested to see the coming reviews of the E5 to see if the IQ is as good as Olympus claims it to be.

On what future for 4/3rds, Amateur Photographer magazine seem to have the scoop with a statement from Olympus that says normal 4/3rds will exist until micro 4/3rds can match it in performance, citing the auto focus, burst rate and optical viewfinders in 4/3 DSLRs as being superior to micro 4/3rds. However, in future "All cameras will be mirrorless"

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http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_301801.html

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Ian,

Many thanks for the pictures of the E-5 and the comparisons with the E-3 and E-30. As others have said there appear to be few surprises but the development of the sensor and the much improved LCD screen while keeping most of the features of the E-3 are very encouraging in my opinion. In my experience, when there are extensive and significant changes in the design of any mechanical or electronic equipment, then, almost invariably, this results in problems which have to be corrected in later models. In this case the E-5 appears to be an attempt to consolidate the best of the E-3 and add features which should produce higher quality images over a larger range than was possible with the E-3.

I shall look forward to your review of the production model when you are able to complete it.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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The E-5 isn't on our stock list yet and may not be until the end of next month, but if it arrives any sooner I'll let everyone know.

Compared to the E-3, I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised by the high ISO performance, especially if you have had problems with banding at 1600 and 3200. You should notice more detail resolution as well.

Batteries are, I understand, interchangeable, although the E-5 is compatible with a newer BLM-5 model as well. All the other accessories you have listed are compatible.

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Thanks Ian, that’s good to know

Very much looking forward to seeing sample photos and also video.
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

I just don't get olympu marketing....

With one statement
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What Mr Terada is saying, though, is that Olympus plans to do away with optical viewfinders when it thinks EVF technology is good enough.
it allows journalists to kill off 90% of sales to people who may be thinking of switching

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The statement in itself is hardly controversial, but coming as an accompaniment to the announcement of the company's new mirror-using E-5, that features an optical viewfinder, it suggests - though does not explicitly state - that the E-5 will be the last in the line of Olympus DSLRs
Whilst the new camera may well be worth it's money it's hardly trying to build market share is it

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

E-5 looks moderately interesting to me. No new whizzy features - well, I wasn't really expecting any and can't think of any to ask for. Lots of good old stuff (weatherproofong, nice big viewfinder) - still there, good.

I will be interested to see if its performance has been improved in those areas where it is currently lacking. In my use of the camera, that is mainly how it copes with low light. High ISO noise has been mentioned and sometimes I find focus a bit iffy, so if these have seen some good work I might be tempted.

There is nothing obvious to make we want to go out and mug old ladies to raise the 1500 smackers. But if the general results show good improvements I might be sending a few broad hints to Santa Claus.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

It is such a shame that it is the ZD glass that is soooo good (as good if not better than the 'others') but the bodies (or more so the sensors in them) are/will always be the weakest link compared to the opposition.
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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A very eloquent and thoughtful post, Nick

Incidentally, I know some photo mag journos how are teetotal, honest!

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It is such a shame that it is the ZD glass that is soooo good (as good if not better than the 'others') but the bodies (or more so the sensors in them) are/will always be the weakest link compared to the opposition.
They say that a good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un
I would agree that the sensors have been the weak link, but let's face it, despite this - many Olympus users have managed to produce superb images. I think it's all relative in the end.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

I like it and am relieved about the evolution.
I hear that the e-1 and e-3 are the best bodies and very tough and proofed against all sorts of slime.
I hear the e-30 is the current leader of Olympus autofocus, shot speed and other arcane insidey things.
I hear the sensor in the e-pL1 with its weak AA filer and modern processor makes the most detailed/sharp files of all Olympus sensors.
What's not the like if all three are combined in such an affordable package?

Oh, it's not affordable so much then ... meh.
(At least it doesn't have any Emperor's new clothes hanging off it like the alpha55.)
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