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Old 14th September 2010
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

It has all I'd want from a DSLR as long as the image quality lives up to it. It seems to be an improved version of the PENs as far as processor and sensor go, combine that with the larger high resolution screen and the ability to fine tune the focussing it pretty much cevers what for me was lacking in the E3. I like the fact it uses the same (well compatible) battery (BLM-5 instead of BLM-1) as the E3 as I'd keep the E3 as a 2nd camera.
Overall it's a bit underwhelming to be sure but with my investment in the SHG glass and my overall satisfaction with the quality of images with the E3 I can see me getting an E5 sooner rather than later, I want a second body anyway, who knows the image quality may be far better than we anticipate.

There maybe more subtle improvements too, i.e. with low light focussing, in fact overall focussing may have been improved, especially the C-AF so it may hold a few surprises, a wolf in sheep's clothing maybe.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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Although my E-3 is fine, Oly's lack of R&D for 4/3rds is disappointing.
When I find a need to change my camera, it is looking less likely that it will be an Olympus. Either that or I will wait until the E-7 (if I am still around that is )
Me to and as to the R&D Issue I think Ian hit it on the head on the other forum.

His quote and my reply, and perhaps others with longer memories will see where my (perhaps unfounded) concerns are coming from.

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The problem for Olympus is that the Pen range is now a success, perhaps more of a success than the E-System ever has been.

I'm absolutely sure that there are many plans for new Pen models. The question is, how do you support existing E-System users while investing in the success of Micro Four Thirds?

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Problem is Ian this brings back a dejavu moment when Olympus ditched the OM DSLR system in favour of 35mm compacts and abandoned its user base.

I'll hope my fears are wrong and will wait and see how it goes with the E-System .

I will continue on with my E-30 and E-620 as they have not suddenly stopped taking images I'm pleased with and there is still a lot of milege left in them (they may even outlast me at my age), but I will not be buying any more lenses in a system I cannot have faith in.

As to investing in MFT I think not , as in this case once (twice) bitten twice shy.
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Completely underwhelmed at that price... E-30 will do for me.. I had been waiting for this to upgrade from my 510, but am now very happy that Jessops had that silly deal about a year ago.

Whilst ISO sensitivity is increased I see not one work about noise. It's always the argument and I would have at least liked to see a statement on what it means to use the high ISO - I still hope for some news on that

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Well, I certainly won't be upgrading. Nice 3" screen and the TruePic V+ processor will hopefully be an improvement in image quality but how will it cope with ISO 6400?

The dropping of Xd card is just a minor improvement but still no mode control dial like the E-1 and E-30. No manual focus switch like the E-1.

Sorry, but I'll stick with my E-3 and E-30 for now thanks. For the price I would go for the Nikon D700 body. I really do think the Four Thirds chip is nearing the limits of its range.

The competition has nothing to worry about, they can go back to sleep - did they ever get out of bed this morning?

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Will need to have a great image quality; the weatherproofing from the E3 will be my main want but not at that price. This might put second owner E3 prices up!
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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Lets see the image quality!

Lot of Oly users like the E-3, they love the lenses etc so if the E-5 takes the best of the E-3 & 30 add a few more bells and whistles and can improve the image quality... where is the issue?

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Spot on there Dave... the only major issue I see is the price - and comparison to competition at that price.

I still remain pleased with my E-3, and more than pleased with the lenses I get to use (and some I don't!), so for me decisions will be made on what I see re image quality. Hopefully we'll start seeing some pre-release shots soon enough, then we can make decisions.
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Spot on there Dave... the only major issue I see is the price - and comparison to competition at that price.

I still remain pleased with my E-3, and more than pleased with the lenses I get to use (and some I don't!), so for me decisions will be made on what I see re image quality. Hopefully we'll start seeing some pre-release shots soon enough, then we can make decisions.
I'm with you - and Dave - on this. I love my Oly lenses, and mostly love my E-3. So if this improves on the IQ then that's great. However I won't be buying (unless it is radically better, which I don't anticipate), simply down to the price vs improvements. There are a couple of images on on Oly.jp, but they are low ISO and of course the official ones, not even review shots so don't really tell us much.

As many have said, setting RRP the same as current street price for a D700 is ludicrous! Even if you expect it to be significantly lower once it hits the shelves. That is a major marketing failure if you ask me. People will hear this and move on, without waiting to see the street price.

There was an interesting tidbit on another (huge) site's preview, saying they heard rumblings the mFT and FT lines are to merge. It will be interesting to see if it does happen, and if it maintains FT lens performance on the new bodies.

For me I am considering going dual system within the next year. I have my reasons - which you don't need to hear. But maybe Oly will be able to bring the PEN/mFT models up the scale to meet my needs in time. Here's hoping
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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

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I have been following the rumours on the E5 on a well known 4/3s rumour site. The specs were talked about for some time. I was hoping that they were wrong.....and some were.

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I am keen to see some real world images, taken with a range of lenses, with comparison shots against the E30, but they had better be impressive. I would expect to see an improvement in image quality when comparing an E510 to an E30.


There is already a noticeable differene in IQ between a Pen and and E-30, let alone the much older E-3. The E-5 should continue you this trend, if not dramatically.

My thoughts are that Olympus have released the E5 for several reasons. Olympus needed a Pro type camera for marketing reasons and a new 4/3rds camera to placate current customers about the longevity of the 4/3rds range.

12 and a bit mega pixels is not a big issue, as long as the image quality is there. 720p video…why not 1080p? Art filters on a pro camera….why?


Personally, I'm happy with 720HD, but 1080 would be nice. Art filters are actually underrated, but if you don't want them you don't have to use them and it doesn't affect the camera in any other way.

The suggested RRP of £1500 is way too much. Olympus need to listen to its customers and the current market.


Best not to under price. Let's see what the street price is.

In my mind they have taken the best bits from the E3 and Pen with a little tweaking and released it. The question is Why? Why now and not a year ago.


I'm sure they were working on the E-5 a year ago. The changes from the E-3 may seem simple, but they aren't, from the re-tooling of the Thixo moulds for die cast body, to the electronics and software. Of course the priority a year ago was to catch up with Panasonic in the Micro Four Thirds race.

I will not be leaving Olympus, but unless the price drops I wont be purchasing one.


I think if the image quality is good, it could make a difference.
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I'm with you - and Dave - on this. I love my Oly lenses, and mostly love my E-3. So if this improves on the IQ then that's great. However I won't be buying (unless it is radically better, which I don't anticipate), simply down to the price vs improvements. There are a couple of images on on Oly.jp, but they are low ISO and of course the official ones, not even review shots so don't really tell us much.

As many have said, setting RRP the same as current street price for a D700 is ludicrous! Even if you expect it to be significantly lower once it hits the shelves. That is a major marketing failure if you ask me. People will hear this and move on, without waiting to see the street price.

There was an interesting tidbit on another (huge) site's preview, saying they heard rumblings the mFT and FT lines are to merge. It will be interesting to see if it does happen, and if it maintains FT lens performance on the new bodies.

For me I am considering going dual system within the next year. I have my reasons - which you don't need to hear. But maybe Oly will be able to bring the PEN/mFT models up the scale to meet my needs in time. Here's hoping
Non grey-import D700s are more like £1750. Remember, the D700 started out way over £2000 and is now probably due to be replaced any time now.

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Spot on there Dave... the only major issue I see is the price - and comparison to competition at that price.

I still remain pleased with my E-3, and more than pleased with the lenses I get to use (and some I don't!), so for me decisions will be made on what I see re image quality. Hopefully we'll start seeing some pre-release shots soon enough, then we can make decisions.
Yes, if you like Olympus, like your lenses and your E-3, the E-5 should be an attractive update.

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Olympus has promised me some E-5s to add to the e-group.uk.net hire stock

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Re: Olympus E-5 hands-on preview

Ian,

Thanks for posting your hands on preview for the E-5. Whilst it may not be what I was hoping for I am very impressed with the objective nature of your article. I rather sense Ian that you are doing very well to manage all of our perhaps over enthusiastic expectations.

I will be very interested to see some image samples to see what the higher ISO performance is like. I do howver have to laugh at myself with my attitude to video being incorporated into a DSLR body. I just does not appeal to me, I am clearly not the techno fan that I think I am!

I do try to keep in mind that compared to the big 2 players, Olympus does not have the resources to fight on level terms with them, especially with the MFT format proving such a success for them. It certainly makes commercial sense to maximise the revenue that this format has given Olympus. This does however increase my concerns that the future of the four thirds format could be under threat.

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I hope one will be diverted to you for a review if it hasn't already! At least we can have a decent appraisal of it against both the mFT and FT landscape

Speaking of review - it would be good if you could include a brief section on it's performance with the SHG lenses that still seem to get mixed reports on speed/accuracy on the top bodies.


On 720 vs 1080 - yes it seems silly not to go 1080 when it should be very feasible, but I don't think any average home user is really going to notice. Even those buying a top of the line body.
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Ian,

Thanks for posting your hands on preview for the E-5. Whilst it may not be what I was hoping for I am very impressed with the objective nature of your article. I rather sense Ian that you are doing very well to manage all of our perhaps over enthusiastic expectations.

I will be very interested to see some image samples to see what the higher ISO performance is like. I do howver have to laugh at myself with my attitude to video being incorporated into a DSLR body. I just does not appeal to me, I am clearly not the techno fan that I think I am!

I do try to keep in mind that compared to the big 2 players, Olympus does not have the resources to fight on level terms with them, especially with the MFT format proving such a success for them. It certainly makes commercial sense to maximise the revenue that this format has given Olympus. This does however increase my concerns that the future of the four thirds format could be under threat.

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Is Four Thirds about bodies or lenses? OK, maybe both, but on balance it's about lenses.

I was excited about Olympus re-entering the SLR market 7 years ago with the E-1, but even back then I questioned the need for a mechanical mirror in a DSLR.

I want Olympus to come up with a great mirrorless body that will do justice to the Four Thirds glass we all have.

In the mean time, the E-5 is not a bad package at all - I just wish it had some of the other features that were on my wish list.

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I hope one will be diverted to you for a review if it hasn't already! At least we can have a decent appraisal of it against both the mFT and FT landscape

Speaking of review - it would be good if you could include a brief section on it's performance with the SHG lenses that still seem to get mixed reports on speed/accuracy on the top bodies.


On 720 vs 1080 - yes it seems silly not to go 1080 when it should be very feasible, but I don't think any average home user is really going to notice. Even those buying a top of the line body.
I'm going to the Philippines for a week at the end of next week (immediately after Photokina) and I have hinted that if a body is available I could do it justice there. But I think my schedule is too tight, but we'll see.

1080 might be possible with a software upgrade in the future. But as you can only package max 7 minute clips with 720, 1080 on AVI will be rather limited.

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