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Exclamation Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Beware: Have just checked for updates and have found that a confirmed hidden update - 3 guesses & the first 2 don't count - has once again down-loaded itself ready to install.

Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems - (KB3035583)

Update type: Recommended

Have re-hidden the offending item, which now shows up qty 2?
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Yep. I noticed that too. B*****ds!
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

I have just checked my update history, and have find that "KB305583 was successfully installed on 26th May".

If I click on more info it says "Install this update to resolve issues in Windows".

Only if I delve deeper does it say anything about installing Windows 10.

The update itself is only few megabytes so there is no clue to the fact that it will download a GB or more to install a new OS.
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

According to 'fix windows' https://fix10.isleaked.com/oldwindows.html KB305583 is just one of a series of dodgy updates, giving Windows 10 features (telemetry/spyware) or 'upgrades' to older versions of windows.
Several of them are win10 upgrade specific....
I ended up uninstalling 11 'updates' which so far has kept the hidden ones out of the way & seems to have improved the software's stability

In the meantime my updates are remaining 'ask first'
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Well, it seems I may be safe from unwanted Windows 10 updates for now, but I am slightly puzzled.

Despite reports on this forum I have heard many good things about W10, so I thought I would install it on my old Toshiba Portege laptop (SSD, i5, 8 GB RAM) just to see how I got on with it.

I downloaded the app from the Microsoft store, accepted the T's & C's and ran the compatibility check. The app reported that all of the hardware was compatible, but said that I couldn't update the OS because the computer is part of a domain!

Presumably this means my desktops are also 'safe'?
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Windows 10 updates causing problems in remote locations
see

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06...atellite_link/

where it is consuming valuable andrare broadband resources.
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Having dug a little deeper it seems that domain connected machines must be disconnected from the domain before installing W10. They can be reconnected again afterwards.

I have already made a disk image of my old W8 laptop so I might give it a try just to see whether I like it or not.

Rumours are that W10 is very fast booting and quick; even quicker than W8.1, so I would like to see if this is true.
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Twice lately hidden updates on W10 have removed my cursor on the laptop. It has proved to be the very devil to reverse both times.

According to info available, these are for touchscreen and just delete cursors.
Now deleted 10 and gone back to 7 and everything now works correctly again.
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

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Twice lately hidden updates on W10 have removed my cursor on the laptop. It has proved to be the very devil to reverse both times.

According to info available, these are for touchscreen and just delete cursors.
Now deleted 10 and gone back to 7 and everything now works correctly again.
Create a Disk Image from your Windows 7 or 8.x installation then you can restore it quickly and easily.

From my experience it might be worth telling your computer that it belongs to a domain (even if it doesn't) then W10 won't trouble you again.

(My W8.1 laptop behaves perfectly well when not connected to the domain.)
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

I would be wary of reversing W10 back to W7 as' when my reversal of the OS went bottoms up the PC/laptop refused to accept the 'original W7 instal disk'? From W8 onwards, the disk format syatem was changed and, as I found out, it was a real bar-persons job to get W7 back. Can't honestly say if the same would happen from a back-up as you've described, Just a heads-up in case of sod's law taking preference. If it dows, then be prepared for more than a few days of hassle with updates not intalling correctly.
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I would be wary of reversing W10 back to W7 as' when my reversal of the OS went bottoms up the PC/laptop refused to accept the 'original W7 instal disk'? From W8 onwards, the disk format syatem was changed and, as I found out, it was a real bar-persons job to get W7 back. Can't honestly say if the same would happen from a back-up as you've described, Just a heads-up in case of sod's law taking preference. If it dows, then be prepared for more than a few days of hassle with updates not intalling correctly.
Nothing would surprise me.

I remember MS pulled a similar stunt when 'trial' versions of Office 2007 were installed on many new machines, in the hope that buyers would stump up for a licence. Those who opted to install earlier editions of Office found that it was impossible to do so without making extensive changes to Windows registry. MS were eventually ordered to provide a utility that made the necessary changes.

Anyhow, if you create a disk image the hard drive should be reformatted to the original specification; indeed, everything should be returned to exactly the same state that it was in when the disk image as created.

(I routinely create a disk image whenever setting up any new machine; usually when I have installed MS Office, Acrobat, Photoshop, antivirus and other essential apps. I then create further disk images following successful installation of other major apps. That way I know I can recover from almost any disaster inside an hour.)

If the disk format has indeed been changed and doesn't respond to a W7 install disk it would be best to run FDISK or a similar utility from the command prompt to delete and then recreate the offending disk partitions.
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Well, I succeeded in installing W10 on my old laptop (from W8.0). It took about forty minutes in total and didn't suffer any glitches at all.

The start menu is different, but all of my previously installed apps work just as they did before, and most of the familiar menu choices are still there. I also managed to disable all of the options that looked in any way intrusive.

As they say in these parts "its saaaallreet", and its free, so I don't quite know what the fuss is about. It also seems pretty quick on a seven year old machine.

I didn't have to enter any serial numbers to activate the software, as apparently, it gets these from the laptop computer, which was licenced for Windows 7 at new build.

The upgrade was free, but what I am not too sure about is what happens if I need to do a complete reinstall at some point after July. Will it still be free then?
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Re: Sneaky MS Dodgy Update

Perhaps if you were to use something like Belarc to get a note of the serial numbers, you could then use it to reinstall W10 after downloading the media from Microsoft?
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Perhaps if you were to use something like Belarc to get a note of the serial numbers, you could then use it to reinstall W10 after downloading the media from Microsoft?
Good thought. I will give that a try. Thank you.

I downloaded the W10 software to a USB memory stick so I won't need to download it again.

I suspect Microsoft has a database of W10 registered computers and software serial numbers (generated as part of the activation process), but I wouldn't like to rely on it.
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