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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

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The Crown, I believe. You don't even have the right to extract gravel from your garden!
Not so.

http://www.bgs.ac.uk/mineralsuk/plan...Ownership.html

I believe you can extract small amounts for use on your property. Anyway, who would know?

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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

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I'm just grateful I live in a National Park!
But don't you have severe restrictions on what you can do or not do to your property?

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The fracking companies don't seem to.
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

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Not severe, but there are restrictions. It doesn't seem to stop people putting plastic windows and doors into C18 buildings though, sadly. Funnily enough, my sister wanted to build a conservatory at the back of her cottage and the planning dept said no problem if it was going to be uPVC, but they'd want to look at the plans if she was going to use wood!
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

I just wish the lot doing the anti fracking demos around here would tidy themselves up, get a job and start contributing to society rather than disrupt our local roads, cost us a fortune in Policing bills and choke us with fumes from their old buses and ex post office vans.
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Whether you approve of a particular demonstration or not, the fact is, in this country, we DO have a right to demonstrate.

Whether a demonstrator is well dressed, has a job, what vehicle he does or doesn't own should have no bearing whatever on the issue of any demonstration. Your assumptions and statements could be considered to be quite offensive by some people.

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Absolutely. Doesnt change anything though.
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

Theres the rub. The unnecessary disruption is a key part of their strategy. Without it there would be no public interest in whatever they happen to be protesting that day.
They have no interest whatsoever in you or anyone else.
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

The big problem is that, unless they make enough noise, cause enough disruption to get noticed by the press TV, government, national and local, ignores the protesters. Personally, I participate in some of 38 Degrees' petitions, and they have had a fair bit of success; but it's hard to be heard even then.

Just consider what the Suffragettes had to do and suffer to get votes for women. Even burned down Lloyd George's holiday home. Lifelong loss of health from being force-fed in prison. Emily Dickinson's death under the King's horse. When you consider that all New Zealand women had the vote in 1893 and women here had to wait until June 1928 - and even then, with bitter recriminations from some bits of the press and MPs - surely a bit of traffic inconvenience from today's protesters isn't much to complain about!
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

This has been an interesting read... Have recently read the Dame Vivienne Westwood has taken up the challenge and is prepared to go to court. Not too surprising as she has been against fracking almost from day one.

It's also interesting to note that many countries have bannned fracking, even some within the EU, France for example. Which makes me wonder what they know that we don't, especially when we consider that they want to frack in the UK? This in itself should give cause for concern.

Just this year another US state has banned fracking, bringing the total to three, one of which is New York which, apparently, is a rich source in fracking related minerals.

People where fracking is taking place have raised vatious health concerns due to noise levels, tremors and assorted acoustic related issues. I noted that one UK protestor reckons he lives within spitting distance of the fracking well. Given that many complaints have come from elsewhere - other countries - where complainants live over half a mile distant, I can relate to these type of concerns.

Seems to me the people that should be getting the hassle is the so called peoples representatives who seem to have increasingly over the years to have mis-laid their hearing aids en-masse.

So, in answer to the original question, yes, we should. Because if we don't, we've already lost the battle before it begins. If / when it comes to court, it should be interesting to hear the pro's and cons tha get discussed as many of the arguements / assertations for fracking have yet to be fully understood and, to what the long-term public health and safety issues could cause in the future.
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This has been an interesting read... Have recently read the Dame Vivienne Westwood has taken up the challenge and is prepared to go to court. Not too surprising as she has been against fracking almost from day one.

Seems to me the people that should be getting the hassle is the so called peoples representatives who seem to have increasingly over the years to have mis-laid their hearing aids en-masse.

So, in answer to the original question, yes, we should. Because if we don't, we've already lost the battle before it begins. If / when it comes to court, it should be intersting to hear the pro's and cons tha get discussed as many of the arguements / assertations for fracking have yet to be fully understood and, what the long-term public health and safety issues could cause in the future.
Well said Wally!

Out on company business about 20-odd years ago, and listening to Radio 2, Roy Jenkins was interviewed by the compere. He asked Jenkins what had changed since the time when he was a Minister. Roy Jenkins' answer was, "In my day, most people became MPs in order to serve their country; today, it is just a career." Many MPs do what they see as furthering their career interests relative to the party line rather than the interests of the country or even their constituents. You can see this in other ways too: for instance, it is clear that budgets of Labour councils have suffered rather greater cuts than those of Tory councils - party before country. The North has suffered more than the South and especially the Home Counties - same thing. MPs have a DUTY to act in the best interests of their constituents and their country; I have seen that my own MP appears to ignore emails from constituents that don't fit with the party line, and I have heard other people say that about certain other MPs in Norfolk. Protesting politely achieves absolutely nothing.

However, half a century ago, we could generally trust our MPs to 'do the right thing' by us, regardless of party. We didn't need pressure groups like 38 Degrees and Sum Of Us; but today people feel ignored and powerless, hence the springing up of more and more pressure groups, and protest movements of one sort and another. I know Greenpeace has been going a long time - and of course, Ban The Bomb - but those were exceptional. One or two on here accuse Greenpeace of not peaceful action; but do they not remember the French sinking the Greenpeace protest ship Rainbow Warrior, for instance? Without pressure from Greenpeace, how many whales would be left in our oceans today? Without protest groups such as e.g. WWF, how many elephants, rhinos, tigers, etc would be left? Even with protest movements, it is hard enough; without them, the world would be a poorer place. For all of us.

On fracking, the government have listened to the fracking companies, but have they truly listened to us, the electorate? I would suggest, no. We count for little; it's big money and big business that have their ear. Our politicians for too ling have only bothered about us at general election time. And I have to say, why did Corbyn get so much support? He at least does listen, or at least, appears to, and that is a strong reason for many people to give him their support, even where they don't necessarily agree with all of his policies.
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Re: To protest or not to protest - that is the dilemma

Hmmm, It would seem that the act of protest may not be dead and buried after all...although I'm not holding my breath. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41736124

Part of the text: "Cait Hewitt, deputy director of campaign group the Aviation Environment Federation, claimed the "scale of this re-consultation" shows that the government's case for Heathrow expansion is "unconvincing".

Further comments still make me wonder why it should be that all the new proposals are for the South East in and around London?

New runways = more traffic in and out = longer Q's and passenger hassle, and, lest we forget... more pollution. Just gotta love the thinking behind the planning.
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Hmmm, It would seem that the act of protest may not be dead and buried after all...although I'm not holding my breath. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41736124

Part of the text: "Cait Hewitt, deputy director of campaign group the Aviation Environment Federation, claimed the "scale of this re-consultation" shows that the government's case for Heathrow expansion is "unconvincing".

Further comments still make me wonder why it should be that all the new proposals are for the South East in and around London?

New runways = more traffic in and out = longer Q's and passenger hassle, and, lest we forget... more pollution. Just gotta love the thinking behind the planning.
Heathrow was a nightmare 30 years ago. I dread to think what it's like now! As to building another runway.....WHY HEATHROW?
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