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Re: Windows Hell

I wonder if that free Windows 10 will a clean installation. I know that Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 upgrade did not.
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I wonder if that free Windows 10 will a clean installation. I know that Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 upgrade did not.
Microsodft has a compatibility checker if you are running Windows 7 or later. Old hardware running Vista originally may or may not pass this test.

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I wonder if that free Windows 10 will a clean installation. I know that Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 upgrade did not.
From my reading it seems that it is not a clean install but having upgraded you can then burn your own installation disc (or use a USB device) then do a clean install without having to have a Windows 7 or 8 on first.
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Re: Windows Hell

Having struggled with an underpowered laptop running Vista for the last few years I have taken delivery of a brand new machine. To save myself from many frustrations ( similar to those aired here) I decided to dip my toe in Linux which Paul suggested on the first page. I can only say how surprisingly easily it has gone ( apart from it taking a long while to get dvds to play but it was mostly my fault for not following the instructions fully ). So there is an alternative to the two mega corporations out there. You do have to be willing to give up much of the software that you may have invested in but as the only pieces if software that I ever bought were an accounts package and Kaspersky it wasn't much to leave behind.

It is still early days and it is possible that I'll go back to the comfortingly familiar arms of Windows but it is a fading possibility.
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You can install the free 'virtualbox' and run Windows as a virtual machine, if you really want to still use a 'Fischer Price' OS.

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Having struggled with an underpowered laptop running Vista for the last few years I have taken delivery of a brand new machine. To save myself from many frustrations ( similar to those aired here) I decided to dip my toe in Linux which Paul suggested on the first page. I can only say how surprisingly easily it has gone ( apart from it taking a long while to get dvds to play but it was mostly my fault for not following the instructions fully ). So there is an alternative to the two mega corporations out there. You do have to be willing to give up much of the software that you may have invested in but as the only pieces if software that I ever bought were an accounts package and Kaspersky it wasn't much to leave behind.

It is still early days and it is possible that I'll go back to the comfortingly familiar arms of Windows but it is a fading possibility.
The irony is that had you tried W8.* on your laptop it would have run a heck of a lot faster than with Vista.

My last laptop, purchased in 2009 came with the choice of Vista or Windows 7. I chose the latter, but got the promotional upgrade to Windows 8 which I installed on a new 512 GB SSD. It now takes fewer than six seconds to boot my six year old i3 laptop!

I really like Windows 7, which is a rock solid, heavyweight OS, but it does need a fairly powerful PC to run well.

Windows 8 and 8.1, by comparison are both much lighter than W7, and they load so much more quickly. It is just a case of getting used to the menu system, which was designed for touch screen devices.

My latest laptop runs W 8.1, and is a joy to use. Better still, I am getting around 18 hours battery life with the power of an i7 CPU, so no complaints there.

I also installed W 8.1 on our daughter's HP 8200 SFF desktop machine recently. The computer has an i5 CPU and 16 GB of RAM, but is about five years old. Despite that we have all been amazed by how quickly it boots up and runs. (About 12 seconds to the login screen.)

My only gripe with W8.1 is that Adobe has chosen to prevent Photoshop CS5 from updating ACR, so it will not open raw files from my OMD-EM5. (This was not an issue on W8.0.)

I realise CS5 is an old version, but it was handy to have on the laptop for occasional use, as I don't want to sacrifice one of my Adobe CC licenses on it.
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Re: Windows Hell

I've decided that I'll pass on the upgrade on my W7 machine. I only use it for Photoshop and only after a long hunt managed to find a patched driver for my old Canoscan FS 2710 film scanner, which probably won't work on W10.

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I've decided that I'll pass on the upgrade on my W7 machine. I only use it for Photoshop and only after a long hunt managed to find a patched driver for my old Canoscan FS 2710 film scanner, which probably won't work on W10.

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That is a god point Jim, although my Nikon LS9000C film scanner works fine on W8.1 using the Vista driver - the latest provided by Nikon!
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It wasn't that good!

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Re: Windows Hell

With all this discussion, I think I'll do a clean install of the 64 bit Win 7 (Pro) OES version I unnecessarily bought last year on the Toshiba i5 laptop (that was originally Win 7 32 bit & upgraded to Win 8.0 64 bit & now has the blue screen of death when it updated to Win 8.1) so that I can try the upgrade to Win 10 & check out all the programs I want to use on my regular (i7 HP) laptop with it before I use it full time (if I should want to).
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It doesn't feel like you're using Windows, unless you get the occasional BSOD just to remind you!

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Re: Windows Hell

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It doesn't feel like you're using Windows, unless you get the occasional BSOD just to remind you!

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Although the BSOD hasn't been a regular occurrence of late, the upgrade from W8 to W8.1 seems to have been jinxed. Updates do not update and the system has problems reversing the screwed update processes.

Am now on my second day of attempting to install updates to the system. ATM it seems the workaround is to do a few at a time... How did M$ know I was retired, that I had nothing to do and that I had all day to do it in???

All this is because I'd like to try out W10. Fortunately, I have W7 on another HDD which is easy to swap in or out.
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Re: Windows Hell

How would you feel if this was the BSOD you had?



Like you'd had several glasses of whisky!
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Re: Windows Hell

When Bill Gates publicly introduced Windows 98. The demonstration machine promptly showed the BSOD:


He doesn't appear to be unduly bothered. I guess like all the other users he thought it was a normal part of the boot up sequence!

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