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Old 21st July 2015
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Re: Windows Hell

Win 8: a lot complained about m/soft adding up dates when it suited them so owners (and businesses) had to sit back and wait for M/soft to add the updates which could take 15-20 minutes . M/soft may have pulled the pin on that idea

m/soft said they did it because so many didn't add any up-dates (??) I have to admit the up dates can use a lot of mb at times/per month
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Re: Windows Hell

Upgrading Windows can be a nightmare, a clean install is really the best way to do it. I only changed to Win7 from XP last year and then only because I wanted to use some software which was 7 and later only. Rather than doing an upgrade I bought a larger HDD and copied an image of the old XP drive onto one partition, then installed 7 onto a second partition to form a dual boot system. That way I can still use the XP software that won't run on 7. No way am I even considering Win8, it's just far too much hassle to change again.

I have another machine running 7 which is only used for internet browsing and playing music, videos etc., so I'll let 10 install itself on that one and see what happens before changing my main (this) computer. I have a suspicion though that I'll stick with 7 until I absolutely have to change. I'm rather hoping that day will never come!

On the subject of upgrades, yesterday I fell for a special deal on Nero Platinum 2015. Two downloads and 1GB later, I installed it and it wanted to check for updates. Another 324MB and a reboot, and it wanted to download more updates. Another third of a gigabyte and another reboot and it proceeded to spend several hours discovering 27,000-odd pictures and 2000-odd music files. For some stupid reason it thought all the system image files were photographs and all the system noises were music. So now I have to manually remove most of the folders it added automatically. I can take some of the blame though as it indexed both the XP and 7 partitions, so a lot are duplicates .

That said, I do like the geotagging feature in its browser which works with the Open Street Map and allows you to add a geotag to any image simply by placing a marker on the map. You can then sort files by place. Handy for cameras that don't have GPS built in - and film cameras of course .

But the point of all that was to ask why the heck software vendors don't put the latest version of the product on their web sites for download so you don't have to go through the tedious update process? In this instance the updates were bigger than the original download!
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Re: Windows Hell

Earlier this year my PC (running Vista) suffered a motherboard failure and was deemed uneconomic to repair. I purchased a replacement with some trepidation, because all were being sold with Windows 8.1 and I found version 8.00 on my daughter's PC very confusing. However, after spending a little time with it I'm impressed with how easy it is - you just pick out the functions you want to use and ignore all the other crap. To date (cross fingers) it has been much more stable and reliable than Vista. I didn't want the expense and I would much prefer it if my old PC had continued working, but given I had no choice I'm really happy with the change from Vista to 8.1
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Re: Windows Hell

I must be one of the few who like windows 8.1, once I was forced down that route as I had to buy a new laptop.

You just have spend time removing all the tiles you don't want from the Metro page and replace it with just those you use regular.

Don't forget windows 10 is released on the 29th. Personally I'm gonna wait a bit before upgrading the laptops, let someone else find all the bugs. Wonder how it's going to work if you need to a factory reset...will it reset to back to 8.1 (or whatever version of windows the laptop was sold with) and then have to upgrade again to 10?
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I must be one of the few who like windows 8.1, once I was forced down that route as I had to buy a new laptop.

You just have spend time removing all the tiles you don't want from the Metro page and replace it with just those you use regular.

Don't forget windows 10 is released on the 29th. Personally I'm gonna wait a bit before upgrading the laptops, let someone else find all the bugs. Wonder how it's going to work if you need to a factory reset...will it reset to back to 8.1 (or whatever version of windows the laptop was sold with) and then have to upgrade again to 10?
I only ever use one tile, which takes me straight to a traditional desktop layout.
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Wonder how it's going to work if you need to a factory reset...will it reset to back to 8.1 (or whatever version of windows the laptop was sold with) and then have to upgrade again to 10?
Make an image backup of boot volume to external harddrive before upgrade and make another immediately after. If the upgrade goes pear shaped restore the former. If you need a 'factory reset' later restore the latter.
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Re: Windows Hell

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OK, hands up, how many folk here have installed Windows on their computers at home ?
Hand up!
All of my comppotah except the dead macbook in that cardboard box.

But ... all of them are running XP Pro with ServicePack2 (not 3) streamlined into the single install CD which I burned myself.

After half an hour's setup they run fine and stable,
but the setup time is taken making sure there's never any updates or alarms.

I have one with Windows 7 : it's never on, swapped the boot discs. I have it lying dormant for when I want to use Lightroom.

Laptop with Win8 was for my Dad : pop-ups every day about updates and permissions rendered it useless for an old fogey. Oh and even that I had to do the boot-to-desktop hijack to prevent me throwing it through a wall.
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OK, hands up, how many folk here have installed Windows on their computers at home ?
me

I end up dealing with most of the family PC's so have done most from Win3 onwards at one time or another (OK I actually started ding it back in the DOS 3 days - anyone remember X Tree Gold ?)

Since we moved onto CD's and then DVD's rather than the 25 floppies that we had at one time its been fine IMO, including Win 8.1 (but as I said in another post I'm an old time MS type being, I just grew up with it)

At work we now use Symantec Backup exec to image the PC's in the factory and rebuild ones from an image that includes all software we need. Overkill for home users, but goodness it's saved us time especially when a production line PC goes down (yes I know you can virtualise, but our former company owners did not permit us to do that - central control only, since being sold we're going that way :-) )

Anyway good luck with the rebuild, but as said before if HW was designed for and OS then stick to something close to that. Win7 gets security fixes to 2020 and win10 to 2025 as announced today

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I boot straight to the Desktop
I didn't know that was possible.
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Re: Windows Hell

I had windows 8 on a new laptop I bought. Couldn't make head nor tail of it so installed 7- it works fin,eI resisted the temtation to try win 10, will wait a few months more. If it aint broke-don't fix it.
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I didn't know that was possible.
Yup...

http://www.cnet.com/uk/how-to/how-to...n-windows-8-1/

I tried a couple of the start button replacements, but ended up going back to win8.1 destop and menu.

90% of the things I use are pinned to the taskbar and you then just use the start screen like a start menu (press the windows key and enter the name of the program you want (1st two characters normally find it)

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I must be one of the few who like windows 8.1, once I was forced down that route as I had to buy a new laptop.

You just have spend time removing all the tiles you don't want from the Metro page and replace it with just those you use regular.

Don't forget windows 10 is released on the 29th. Personally I'm gonna wait a bit before upgrading the laptops, let someone else find all the bugs. Wonder how it's going to work if you need to a factory reset...will it reset to back to 8.1 (or whatever version of windows the laptop was sold with) and then have to upgrade again to 10?
You don't even need to remove tiles, just note where the desktop one is and click on that when booting up

Windows 10 does bring back the start menu. In the mean time Windows 8/8.1 and 10 work better than ever using less hardware resources and with improved robustness.

I have installed Windows countless times - all the way from Windows 3.0 and built and rebuilt over a dozen desktop boxes and even a few laptops, upgrading hard drives, memory, etc.

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Re: Windows Hell

From the tone of this thread I'm beginning to think Windows OS seems to be getting worse and complicated as time goes by. I'm pleased I don't have to go through the trauma, disappointment and frustration that other users have.

I do hope Windows 10 will be a revelation to PC users this time around.

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From the tone of this thread I'm beginning to think Windows OS seems to be getting worse and complicated as time goes by. I'm pleased I don't have to go through the trauma, disappointment and frustration that other users have.

I do hope Windows 10 will be a revelation to PC users this time around.

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