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Re: Photographer's rights

I have just sent an email to the home office. I doubt that I will get anything usefull, but its a first step.


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I am contacting you in order to find out information about guidelines or any legislation that may cover or impact photography in the UK.

There have been some recent cases of police and local authority enforcement officers, along with security guards, stopping people in public places from taking photographs. In some extreme cases it have been reported that individuals were asked to delete digital images, or hand over film.

I am seeking official clarification on what a person in public can and cannot photograph. I am also seeking clarification on what any official person can and cannot do. A list of no go areas(type not location) would be useful to know they can be avoided.

I recently went to my counties police HQ and asked them the same questions. They informed me that they do not have a policy, and photographers should use common sense. I asked them if the home office have and information and they said probably not.

I will also be contact my local member of parliament about these issues.

Any information that I receive will be shared with other photographers that I know.

If I am contact the wrong department, please can you let me know the correct department to contact.


Please contact me if you need further assistance.

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I have been researching this for some time so if you visit the City of London

Extract taken from the City of London Website

Guidelines

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On the basis that filming is restricted to public walkway using only a camera and tripod..., no special licences or indemnities are required. Please note that crew and equipment must remain on the public walkway at all times, except where separate permission to film on private property has been obtained. Neither crew nor equipment may cause any obstruction or danger to pedestrians wishing to pass by on the walkway.


http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/cgi-b...er_first_match

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Re: Photographer's rights

Have just written to my own MP asking him for support to halt the increasing restrictions being imposed on photographers.

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The Human Rights Act 1998


Article 1 of Protocol 1: Protection of property

Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions.

Everyone has the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their possessions.

Public authorities cannot interfere with a person’s property or possessions or the way that they use them except in specified limited circumstances.

Protocol 1, Article 1 Protection of property

The protection of property under Protocol 1, Article 1 has three elements:

• A person has the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their property.
• A public authority cannot take away what someone owns.
• A public authority cannot impose restrictions on a person’s use of their property.

However, a public authority will not breach this right if a law says that it can interfere with, deprive, or restrict the use of a person’s possessions, and it is necessary for it to do so in the public interest.

The Article requires public authorities to strike a fair balance between the general interest and the rights of individuals.


Can I urge you all to do the same. A simple e-mail or letter expressing your concerns about "Restrictions Creep" or the demise of civil libety can do no harm in the efforts to halt this trend towards unnecessary control.

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Re: Photographer's rights

I called the home office this afternoon, I am spoke to some there.

I am expecting a call back from someone higher up (a manager!), and I have my own questions, but does any other user have anythinkn they would like asked (assuming they call me back)?
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Re: Photographer's rights

Why can't Photographers be given the same status as Cameramen and have the same level of cooperation with Police as do Film makers?

http://www.filmlondon.org.uk/

http://www.met.police.uk/filmunit/

Good Luck and thanks for doing this

I'm awaiting a response from the Met Police Film Unit so if any thing comes of that I'll update people.

Cheers

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Re: Photographer's rights

If you are a registered pro, then I agree better cooperation would be an advantage....in fact I believe registered professional photographers that they can access locations that us members of the public (amateur photographers) cannot.

Most film units need permits to work in some, if not most, locations. I think there needs to be a distinction between photographers and film makers for my enquiries at the home office.
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Someone pointed this out to me as being highly indicative of the problem

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKl2sEN4yNM&feature=related
It's worth watching, if only for the entertainment value. However it shows exactly where the problem lies.

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Re: Photographer's rights

Good video. Thanks for the link.
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Someone pointed this out to me as being highly indicative of the problem

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKl2sEN4yNM&feature=related

It's worth watching, if only for the entertainment value. However it shows exactly where the problem lies.

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It certainly does, good link. I think a few around here may have dealt with that officer a bit more forcefully.
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Great link, well worth watching
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Re: Photographer's rights

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Someone pointed this out to me as being highly indicative of the problem

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKl2sEN4yNM&feature=related

It's worth watching, if only for the entertainment value. However it shows exactly where the problem lies.

Graham
Excellent link and an excellent example of how to stand your ground in a clear and legal manner. The benefit that this guy had in recording moving images with sound was that he had good evidence of what exactly was bing said to him.

I've had arguments wit PCSO's on items where I was very clearly within my rights (not about photography, and I was ultimately supported by a real Police officer I called into the discussion), but you are always in the situation where it may not be recorded correctly and have to look for witnesses

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Re: Photographer's rights

Another news item on this topic:

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/P...ing.4022433.jp
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Re: Photographer's rights

In today's IPM program on Radio 4 there was quite an extensive article on harassment by guards, traffic wardens, Community Police types of people taking pictures.

Austin Mitchell MP was interviewed (he carries a camera and was harassed in Cleethorpes by a busybodying warden) a senior Policeman - who said that the harassment was due to lack of provision of education of "security" types re the Anti Terrorism Act and the rights of people to take pictures in public places.

Go to the BBC web site and listen to the broadcast in the Listen Again section or download the Podcast

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2008/...n_framed.shtml
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Re: Photographer's rights

Just a quick reminder that j.baker (John) has prepared a prototype card designed to be carried with you so you can refer quickly and conveniently to concise summaries of your rights as a photographer.

John is looking for feedback on it so he can finalise the card and make it available for a nominal (not for profit) fee to anyone who would like one. If you are interested, please get in touch with him via Private Mail here (to j.baker).

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If you are a registered pro, then I agree better cooperation would be an advantage....in fact I believe registered professional photographers that they can access locations that us members of the public (amateur photographers) cannot.

Most film units need permits to work in some, if not most, locations. I think there needs to be a distinction between photographers and film makers for my enquiries at the home office.
Who do you register with?
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