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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

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I can (Donald) Trump that: One switch, off /on. Leaving Aperture, SS, ISO and Focus all being separate dedicated controls with logical placement.
My bodies are permanently set to aperture priority. I use manual focus primes a lot of the time so the aperture setting is on the lens. All I have to do is turn the camera on to start shooting.
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

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Do you like uncomplicated cameras, and if so do you have deep pockets?
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

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Do you like uncomplicated cameras, and if so do you have deep pockets?
Well no - I am sure I could find a Brownie 127 in some sort of shop
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

The mega-hyper-superfluous dad's cam.: http://35mmc.us8.list-manage2.com/tr...2&e=c75fd457ce

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The mega-hyper-superfluous dad's cam.: http://35mmc.us8.list-manage2.com/tr...2&e=c75fd457ce

nuff said!
Steve - Think I will stick to the 127, regretting ever getting rid of the Spotmatic
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

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The mega-hyper-superfluous dad's cam.: http://35mmc.us8.list-manage2.com/tr...2&e=c75fd457ce

nuff said!
That's very funny, and in many ways correct!

However, one could actually write the same stuff about the E-M1ii. And dare I mention the digital Leicas??? (Sorry!)

As ever, it's the purpose for which you use these expensive and specialist tools that matters, and how well you know them, and the pleasure you get from this.

Actually, if you want a really good laugh about the A7Rii, spend some time on the dpreview Sony Full Frame Forum. Talk about beholden to the equipment and detachment from reality...
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

I quite enjoy this blog by Hamish's Gill, he speaks plainly and is also quite entertaining from time to time.
Although I have no experience of the Sony brand, the A7Rii does appear to be the equivalent of the Swiss Army knife when it comes to cameras, having something for everyone, but possibly at the expense of added complexity - which leads back to an earlier blog 'the lure of the uncomplicated camera'.
Actually with regard to the Leica, the M240 is one of the simplest digital cameras having a very light menu system, being intuitive with little need for the instructions supplied. Yet, with the imminent release of the camera's successor (rummerd to be announced this week, 18th or 19th) there is talk that Leica will be simplifying the M10, as it were going back to its roots, like a digital M3.
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

Yes, I mentioned Leicas partly since the cost is a such a complication to many of us...

There's no doubt that the A7Rii is a very specialist tool, and people tie themselves up in knots over on dpreview trying to justify it for every purpose. Therein lies madness.

So far I'd say it has some very strong advantages and some equally strong disadvantages, and as long as you can play to its strengths and avoid the weaknesses it's great.

Positives
Massively detailed files and reasonable IBIS: so you can crop most images by at least 50% and that gets round the need to carry those ridiculously sized FF tele zoom lenses for general photography.

Massive dynamic range, so I'm doing a lot less HDR and exposure blending for landscape.

Amazing high-ISO capabilities: in fact it's virtually ISOless above 640. I'm playing around with night shooting at ISO 3200 3 stops underexposed and pulling up the shadows: very good, and not significantly noisier than my previous A7S under similar conditions. Works really well with the high DR prevalent in night-time city streets, and you get much less burned-out highlights.

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The menu system is worse than Oly's, although I've now learned to use the Fn menu properly, which has helped a lot. There aren't enough hardware buttons/dials/levers and you can't allocate all the useful menu choices to these.

A tiltable rear screen that doesn't allow you to touch-focus. Daft.

It's slow. Let's face it, this is a specialist machine for considered, deliberate shooting, especially for landscape. Although it's great for night-time street, for street photography generally it's comically slow - you can't use silent shutter in drive mode, and if it's gone to sleep, you've turned on the E-M1, set ISO, aperture & shutter speed, tap focussed and shot 5 frames before the Sony has woken up!

It's not properly weather-proofed, and I'm not trusting a camera costing this much in the rain. The dpreview gang don't seem to believe this, but they need to listen, for example, to the Tripod landscape podcast, which recently reported a load of A7Rii owners with frozen shutter buttons on an Iceland workshop.

Small and expensive lens choice (but I'm well served for my purposes by the tiny 35mm f2.8 and good and not-too-heavy 16-35mm f4 from Sony-Zeiss, so this doesn't bother me too much).
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

Well, I'm not in agreement with the general gist of this thread for several reasons:

- Whilst the basic aperture, shutter, exp comp & ISO settings are of course the most important controls, different people like them setup in different ways. If a particular manufacturer only did it one way then there would certainly be some proportion of the buying public who would dislike it and not buy. Me, I like to use A mode most of the time with aperture set on the front dial and exp comp on the rear with ISO being accessible from pressing the "rec" button. The menus allow me to set it that way. I do the setting once and then assign it to a Myset/Cust Fn. Simple. If you prefer other combinations, then you can do that too.

- Focus settings are equally important and subject to user preference. Me, I like back-button focus with no face detect unless I'm photographing people - in which case I like focus on the shutter button with face detect. So, I've got two Mysets/Cust Fns set that way and swap between them. Works great. Again, I set it once and then don't touch it. Then if you use manual lenses, you'll want peaking and/or magnification - again, something to setup once and leave. Things like AF-home are a god-send too so they get assigned to a function key.

- I use long-exposure a lot in landscape photography so I want a Myset/Cust Fn set for LiveTime or LiveComp with Live View Boost on, screen undimmed (usually shooting in daylight) and a bunch of other settings. That way I can set the camera on a tripod, select the Myset and I'm done. The camera does exactly what I want.

I could go on. The point is that I get to know what the camera can do at leisure in my armchair and then set it up just the way I want it. I learn that setup so that it becomes second nature in my hands. Voila - it's not complicated at all.

Now, maybe you don't want to do any of this and just have basic "M" mode with shutter/aperture/ISO and simple AF (or even MF). You do that too (or buy Fuji ).
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

Then again, assuming you're not an anorak, you can always get a Leica M9, Typ240 or the upcoming M10 (or possibly M11?).
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Then again, assuming you're not an anorak, you can always get a Leica M9, Typ240 or the upcoming M10 (or possibly M11?).
I'm sure that Leica gear is great, for lots of reasons, but I can't see my buying one just for the manual controls!
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I'm sure that Leica gear is great, for lots of reasons, but I can't see my buying one just for the manual controls!
Yup, and I am most certainly not knocking Leica, but you can get pretty much the same range and layout of manual controls with an excellent hybrid VF by getting a X100 series. Leica is about some different things than that for me.
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

Composing with both eyes open, does that ring a bell with anyone?
And with a fully manual camera, only the operator to blame if things get screwed up.
When I first used the RF, I thought what the hell have I done, a big mistake came to mind. For one thing I had to focus then guess or estimate the depth of field, plus sort the exposure. It meant relearning all I had forgotten having used automatic cameras for too long. But now, I absolutely love the range finder.

On the other hand mirrorless has a lot to offer, and I could be tempted by the Sony I've just read about. My elderly u4/3 kit suffers when ISO is dialled-up, but the A7Rii seems to be the ultimate camera for noiseless digital. It begs the question, is there any need for the MkIII other than to invigorate the market to generate more sales.
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Re: The lure of the uncomplicated camera

I have a fairly short list of practical A7Rii improvements I'd like to see:

- Properly weatherproof body (I suspect this is a major reason a lot of serious landscape photographers haven't switched from pro DSLRs).

- Faster processor and image pipeline so it writes and runs faster and you can use at least 4 to 5fps drive with the eshutter.

- Touch screen for focus point choice and movement, both for landscape on a tripod and street shooting. You also need to be able to access the Fn 'spreadsheet' menu choices directly from the touch screen.

- A rethink of the hard buttons/dials/wheels: there should be at least one more, plus more of the menu choices need to be configurable to at least some of these, and there should be more 'myset' equivalents. The often-criticised menu system would be fine as long as you could set it up like you can with an E-M1 i or ii.

That would be a killer camera for me.

Trouble is, they're going to increase megapixels much further (rumours say 70-90MP, for heck's sake) and probably do more to increase CAF performance rather than improving throughput processing rate.

It's also going to be 3.8k, I bet.
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