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Re: Do you want a second chance?

Democracy itself is also a rather blunt tool as it only provides us with a mass consensus between the lesser of two or more evils!

Just over a year ago I was travelling on a train from Truro to Plymouth. The lady sitting opposite me was a bit of a 'hippy', who volunteered that she had spent much of her life living in various peace camps around the country.

She made the comment that the state education system was designed only to produce 'factory fodder'. This remark seemed extremely harsh and rather unfair at the time, (and slightly ironic given that we don't have that many factories nowadays), but I have often thought that maybe she had a point.
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Sad to say is that we need a War on WW1 dimensions, lots of people being employed to make huge ships that needs even more people to get them to go out to sea to be shot at and sunk with no survivors. Lots of property destroyed, etc. Then after a while the formation of a union with your "enemy" will appear to be attractive. This to continue until the population needs culling again.
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Re: Do you want a second chance?

I see the stock markets are lively this morning!
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I see the stock markets are lively this morning!
Exchange rates too!

I have been trying to transfer some Euros to my GBP account, but the Barclays system has been broken since Friday. Maybe they are trying to save my Euros until they are worth a bit more?

I also found some US$ in the drawer from a business visit that I will take to the bank whilst they are worth selling.
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I see the stock markets are lively this morning!
The rumour that our Chancellor had topped himself proved to be false.

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Re: Do you want a second chance?

Taking a look at the jobs potential:

We can rejuvenate the shipbuilding industry, to provide gunboats to escort EU vessels out of our fishing grounds. That would include those north of the (by then very high and solid) border.

We can get a fishing fleet built and manned.

We can employ people to replant orchards, grubbed up to support French Golden (not very) Delicious, with traditional English varieties.

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Re: Do you want a second chance?

I think all remain voters who are now asking for a second referendum should go and find what the word democracy actually means, you should all 'man up' you lost , get over it.
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Sad to say is that we need a War on WW1 dimensions, lots of people being employed to make huge ships that needs even more people to get them to go out to sea to be shot at and sunk with no survivors. Lots of property destroyed, etc. Then after a while the formation of a union with your "enemy" will appear to be attractive. This to continue until the population needs culling again.
I'd hazard a guess that you've never been a soldier.

No-one in their right mind would desire war.

Yours has to be one of the saddest posts I've read.

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I'd hazard a guess that you've never been a soldier.

No-one in their right mind would desire war.

Yours has to be one of the saddest posts I've read.

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In DerekW's defence I remember this attitude was commonplace amongst those (mainly women) who were born in the late Victorian and immediate post Victorian eras.

Whenever there was civil unrest (troublesome youths and student protests were the usual target) the cry would go out "what we need is a good war to sort them all out".

Thankfully attitudes have moved on since those grim days, but I do sometimes wonder about the politicians' motives for sending countless thousands of men to a certain death in WW1 in particular.
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Re: Do you want a second chance?

I think Derek's post was sarcasm.
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Re: Do you want a second chance?

My post might be sad or one of despair, but normally one takes a simple majority vote to resolve issues like :-
Go for Chinese or an Indian tonight?
Shop at the Westfield Shipping Mall or the local village?
Bring back capital punishment. etc

Not for making decisions that are going to outlast and impact all of the people in the country (and their offspring's lives) in many unknown ways.
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Re: Do you want a second chance?

While holding a referendum appears to be a good democratic way of making a difficult choice it suffers from the defect that the people making the decision do not have to implement it. In our constitution we give our elected members of parliament the power to make decisions on our behalf and then to implement them to our satisfaction. I suspect that in future prime ministers will be very reluctant to propose a referendum as a solution to their problems.
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While holding a referendum appears to be a good democratic way of making a difficult choice it suffers from the defect that the people making the decision do not have to implement it.
I don't see the problem. Those who offer such a choice must be willing and able to implement either outcome. Only fools would offer if this was not the case.

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Re: Do you want a second chance?

I get the impression when the dust settles that there will be a shed load of bankers who are suddenly better off, while my house and pension will be worth less.

I am anticipating going back to National Dried Milk and the Austin 1100, its just a shame I threw away all my old AF spanners.

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My post might be sad or one of despair, but normally one takes a simple majority vote to resolve issues like :-
Go for Chinese or an Indian tonight?
Shop at the Westfield Shipping Mall or the local village?
Bring back capital punishment. etc

Not for making decisions that are going to outlast and impact all of the people in the country (and their offspring's lives) in many unknown ways.
I don't disagree with you regarding when a majority vote should be used, neither do I wish to engage in futile debate.

All I would ask is, did you vote?

If you did, then aren't you being hypocritical?

If you didn't, why complain about the result?

If you did and you disagree with the result, aren't you also being hypocritical?

Regardless of my opinion regarding whether the result was right or wrong, or whether the referendum should have been held at all, the country voted and the majority won.

Please remember that the referendum was advisory and is not legally binding, I will be surprised if article 50 is invoked any time soon, if ever

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