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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

I'm following this with interest.

It is such a conundrum, I wish I had bought a canikon in the first place then I would be certain that my choice was better than everyone else's !

The D600, on paper does what I want, until I factor in the lenses, this is why we are all wringing our hands and not jumping ship in a flash. The current Oly bodies for 4/3 are behind the curve now and have been for a while, with nothing concrete on the horizon we get the jitters.

To get the reach of 12-60 + 50-200 on a canikon full frame with quality lenses is horrifically expensive and they are all huge.

I picked up those two Oly lenses for good prices from ebay, both minters and collection only auctions. One good short Nikon zoom would cost as much as I paid for both.

The answer seems to be keep those lenses with one body and pray for am E5 replacement, thin out the Oly kit and somehow get a D600 and a couple of decent full frame primes second hand - for now.

If Oly don't come up with the goods then complete the switch later with a crop sensor body to complement the full frame and zooms.

Just got to work out how to fund this
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

I am more than happy with the E-M5 sensor and the IQ it gives me, although I am not so comfortable with the ergonomics. However for most of my general photography it is unbeatable but as most know here I found where m43 lacking was in AF and tracking of birds in flight. So I bought a Canon 7D which does this job very well but in IQ terms is really not quite up to the E-M5. So I have only partly moved away, still enjoying my E-M5 but if Olympus come up with the goods for my bird photography then who knows - I may move back!

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PS: I would hate to have to cart around a 600mm Nikon lens to give me the same magnification as a 300mm on m43!
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I'm following this with interest.

It is such a conundrum, I wish I had bought a canikon in the first place then I would be certain that my choice was better than everyone else's !
Don't you believe it! If you'd bought Nikon you'd be wishing it was Canon and vice versa. The number of people who keep switching between these two marques without ever being truly happy is quite extraordinary.
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

I was firmly tongue in cheek John, there are some things that the E5 with the 2x crop factor suits me far better than any of the other options. I would just like one "system".
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I was firmly tongue in cheek John, there are some things that the E5 with the 2x crop factor suits me far better than any of the other options. I would just like one "system".
It's called dream chasing, the perfect camera system will never happen.
There are always advantages and disadvatages to any format/system.
The art is to chose the one that has the least compromises for you, or buy into multiple systems and then complain about the weight you are having to carry around and the amount you are having to spend.

Should you stay or go? Yes!
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It's called dream chasing, the perfect camera system will never happen.
There are always advantages and disadvatages to any format/system.
The art is to chose the one that has the least compromises for you, or buy into multiple systems and then complain about the weight you are having to carry around and the amount you are having to spend.

Should you stay or go? Yes!
These are my feelings as well, I have thought like you that I would change to Nikon but the expense and trouble of seeling my Oly gear and starting to collect the same for the full frame decided me to stay where I am. I do have an EP2 and its quite good apart from trying to frame anything with the flash mounted mounted. I have decided after a lot of sould searching to stick with what I have and evaluate the E7 when it comes?
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

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I am more than happy with the E-M5 sensor and the IQ it gives me, although I am not so comfortable with the ergonomics. However for most of my general photography it is unbeatable but as most know here I found where m43 lacking was in AF and tracking of birds in flight. So I bought a Canon 7D which does this job very well but in IQ terms is really not quite up to the E-M5. So I have only partly moved away, still enjoying my E-M5 but if Olympus come up with the goods for my bird photography then who knows - I may move back!

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PS: I would hate to have to cart around a 600mm Nikon lens to give me the same magnification as a 300mm on m43!
A 300 on oly would be 600 but the 600 on Nikon would x 1.6 ..but I know what you mean.

I am in a state of not knowing what to do as well......I need some way of tracking wildlife ...the focus searching is doing me head in as well.

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A 300 on oly would be 600 but the 600 on Nikon would x 1.6 ..but I know what you mean.


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I was referring to a Nikon FF (D600) where a 600 would give the same mag as a 300 on 4/3.


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I am in a state of not knowing what to do as well......I need some way of tracking wildlife ...the focus searching is doing me head in as well.

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Since changing over I now live in a different world - check this out:



'Nuff said?

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

Bugger both you and for showing me this. Lens and camera?
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Bugger both you and for showing me this. Lens and camera?
Canon 7D and 400mm f5.6. Fairly cheap kit-relatively speaking. Non IS but I don't use IS with BIF.

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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

If I had been considering a move to FF (I'm not) then the Nikon D600 would probably have been top of my wish list. But it appears that unhappiness is creeping into the ranks of the new D600 owners club - there seems to be a significant problem with sensor dust accumulation and occasionally oil spots, and the need to clean the sensor very frequently - even more so than usual for a Canikon (see http://tiny.cc/86xvmw or just google 'D600 sensor dust isues').

I change lenses a lot, but only once have I had to remove dust from the E-5 sensor, and that was readily accomplished with a blower. Even with a wide angle lens stopped down I never seem to have been bothered with dust specks. Thank goodnesss for Oly's SSWF.
(In the EM-5 the sensor is more exposed than on a DSLR when changing lenses. Is dust more of an issue than with the E-5 / Exxx?)
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

In the days of film bird photographers carried 600mm and often a 300 or 400mm as well. Some carried a 800mm rather than a 600mm.
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But it appears that unhappiness is creeping into the ranks of the new D600 owners club - there seems to be a significant problem with sensor dust accumulation and occasionally oil spots, and the need to clean the sensor very frequently.
Really? I am surprised!
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'Nuff said?

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Canon 7D and 400mm f5.6. Fairly cheap kit-relatively speaking. Non IS but I don't use IS with BIF.

Did not follow on looking at this thread until today....guess what kit I got....yes the same.I kept getting the same info from people about the camera and in particular the lens.......now got to work out how to get it set up for my method of shooting.
Keith

EDIT.To all who are defending Oly so well ...great ...I did not want to change brands...but at 60 and by the time they sort out something to nab a Swift with I could not wait.....great pic by the way David.
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