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Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Er, yes. I can't really see the point beyond a misguided nostalgia.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Instant photographs, the ones you can physically hold and pass around without the need for an electronic gadget are very popular. Instax for example.
But my original post referred to the uneven development at the edges. In my opinion this adds to the art; no two prints will be entirely the same, like snow flakes.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

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But my original post referred to the uneven development at the edges. In my opinion this adds to the art; no two prints will be entirely the same, like snow flakes.
This uneven development is not at the control of the artist, it's a purely random feature. It may be appealing to some, but it's NOT art any more than a snowflake is art.
Art requires a creative input.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

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Er, yes. I can't really see the point beyond a misguided nostalgia.
Seconded.. I could create this in seconds in software and still have an original to work with in other ways.

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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

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Seconded.. I could create this in seconds in software and still have an original to work with in other ways.

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You make a compelling case. I think I'll eBay all my cameras - who needs them for almighty's sake - get a Wacom tablet and the latest version of Photoshop. I can paint photographs at pixel level, downloading backgrounds, foregrounds etc, and add the magic border to bring it to life. Thing is, I won't be unique, every Tom, Dick and Harry is doing it already.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

LOL.. fair point

I was thinking that just making it harder to get the resulting image, and that being in a more limited format didn't specifically make it art..

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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

I backed the original kickstarter and have no regrets doing so. I didn't buy any more packs after I received the first one though for two reasons:
1) It was prohibitively expensive.
2) There were two parts to it: the instant print, which was never very good quality, and a negative part which had to be fixed as soon as you took it out of the camera. So in order to make full use of a very expensive film you had to have a tray of fixer handy - which wasn't conducive to using it out in the field.

Once I received the first pack of film and realised what was going to be required in order to use it and the high ongoing cost it was fairly obvious to me that it wasn't going to be successful. A shame because instant photography is very successful at the moment as you can see from the success of Fuji's Instax and the rebirth of Polaroid film*.

As for whether it's Art, are any of our photographs art?
https://petapixel.com/2017/03/04/pho...et-modern-art/
For the record, I don't regard mine as being art. I'm perfectly happy being an artisan/craftsman and I don't have any ambition to be an 'artist'. You won't find the term 'Fine Art Photography' anywhere on my web site.

[* It's not really a rebirth, rather a morphing of Impossible Project into Polaroid.]
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Art and photography seldom go together.
Serendipity and film photography can however be like bed partners. A great example cross processing certain reversal films, E6 -> C41. Or as someone I know who purchased a time expired 100' roll of colour neg to find that one edge at the sprocket holes had suffered a light leak. The result is orange flames ascending or descending depending on how the film was loaded, or orientation whilst shooting.

Digital photographers won't understand the appeal.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Indeed, I love the 'arty' side of film photography too using Holgas, pinhole etc, as well as the more precise side of things with a Hasselblad or large format. Still not sure that makes it 'art' though, even when it is done by photographers who are much better at that kind of photography than me, such as the wonderful Lucy Wainwright:
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Thanks for the link, Roger. I have to say I have not heard of her before today, but this lady DOES produce some lovely arty photography, quite inspirational stuff. I'll be following her photographic journey.
I would say photography is a journey of self exploration and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
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Indeed, I love the 'arty' side of film photography too using Holgas, pinhole etc, as well as the more precise side of things with a Hasselblad or large format. Still not sure that makes it 'art' though, even when it is done by photographers who are much better at that kind of photography than me, such as the wonderful Lucy Wainwright:
https://www.filmshooterscollective.c...pril-2017-3-31
And then there's your good self: https://www.filmshooterscollective.c...roger-harrison
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Ah yes...blimey those are old photos, really should get round to updating my profile.

I'm thoroughly enjoying my journey too, especially since I've gone back to film.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

Art? - certainly not. Art means creativity, not inanimate technology (whether chemical or electronic). Use of the technology to achieve an end goal - that's the art.
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Re: Art, or do you have you a diferent opinion?

How about ink on blotting paper - I know that fountain pens and ink are anathema to some, like photography and film to others - I used to make 'art' when I became weary of homework; sometimes I used different coloured inks; sometimes I made art on my homework. I believe I have one hanging in the V&A, or perhaps I'm confusing it with C&A that once was.
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